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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    You do realize that Misterveritis is calling low income people criminals. You also admitted that you have said the same thing NUMEROUS times. Did you read Misterveritis's comments before you spoke?

    If my wife and I would have been arrested for our crime of having a low income, then we never would have increased our income. WTF? I guess some people are completely stupid and don't think about the things that they say.
    I responded to what you posted. The comments were correct as was my response. Rather than the continued whining, crying and moaning and bitching about the wealth and success of others, work harder, do better...and have the decency to express a little appreciation for those that carry the bulk of the workload in this country. No...dont fake it...have some sincere appreciation. Look...I think its great your wife earns an extra 3 k a year now. I really do. Keep at it and things should continue to improve for you. Thats the gig...its how it works. Along the way and in the meantime...you probably dont make enough in income to actually PAY income taxes. Im assuming from what you listed that you qualify for the EIC. Great. Take advantage of it, do good things with it, and...in advance...you are welcome.

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I'm not sure how to respond. I am incapable of understanding your predicament. It is quite possible that you are misrepresenting your situation. If not, I probably have more disposable income than you do. I don't know how to translate our situations. I apologize.

    I know people that make $80,000 a year and can't afford to put up $200 to send their kid to camp. My income was in the high $20's. I have never seen difficutly in coming up with $200 for something that I felt was important. In your scenario you live in a different state. The person I am describing lives in my same area but struggles to come up with $200. I don't get that either.

    I'm quite the bonehead on certain topics. Understanding the poverty of a Manhattan income of $250,000 is something I know very little about.
    You missed the point.

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Closer to the second one. I was starting a thread to show how inaccurate it is to believe that someone was bad based upon their income.

    If that were the case I became a good person in 2 days without doing anything at all. So far 20 out of 20 people agree that it is stupid to classify someone as scum based solely upon their income.
    Did someone actually use the word "scum" or are you making that up? Who said that?

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Stop being daft. "New money" is always viewed negatively.
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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    How does this make me a better person than I was 2 days prior?
    Besides yourself, who said it does make you a better person?

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    One person in my personal life. Many people in this thread. Of course they never direct it at me. They direct it generally about people like me.

    They generalize that all people with low incomes are scum bags. If those scum bags get job offers for more money, they always take them. This makes little sense to me. This is the ideology that I am trying to challenge.


    When I was in school, I was pretty poor. When I got out of school, I was still pretty poor. Got married. Still pretty poor. Changed jobs a few times and got some promotions and made some ridiculously stupid mistakes on the job.

    I think you could argue pretty persuasively that I was not a very good person after I had doubled my income compared to the person who was living in the condemned duplex in the ghetto.

    This is not to say I did not do stupid and incredibly selfish crap at every turn regardless of my income. It's just that my pettiness and insecurity as an immature manager came through in the way I managed people. As I matured and got a better grip on what a business was and how to work with and for people, I got far less stupid.

    Now I'm older and with age comes wisdom which is French for experience. Having made almost every mistake and stupid move previously, I can feel when it's about to happen again.

    The perspective of age lends understanding in viewing the actions of others as well as my own actions. There is something to be said for the mercurial flights and crashes of passion. The highs and lows are like working without a net.

    Right now, I generally like boredom. Does this make me a better person? Does having enough money make me a better person?

    "Most men live their lives in quiet desperation"- Thoreau

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    I know people that make $80,000 a year and can't afford to put up $200 to send their kid to camp. My income was in the high $20's. I have never seen difficutly in coming up with $200 for something that I felt was important. In your scenario you live in a different state. The person I am describing lives in my same area but struggles to come up with $200. I don't get that either.
    I know many people like that. They just have no talent for managing money. They live way beyond their means. They borrow at exorbitant interest rates. Or as my grandma would have said, "a dime burns a hole in their pocket."

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    I voted but now need to give an explanation. So: More money gives people an additional opportunity to change the person they are. What are you going to do with that opportunity? We have more money now. Most if not all of our changes are due to getting older and being retired. More money just allows us more choices. It also adds a lot of complexity to our lives since we can do so much more.

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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    OP, havent you posted on the topic of $$ before of your difficulties accepting...and your church/community accepting (at least in your mind)...your wife making more $ than you?

    To the point of bringing suicide into the conversation?
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    Re: Am I a better person now that my income has increased?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Lizzie, turtledude, cephus, miserveritis are a few of the people who think poor people are scum for the simple fact that their income is low.

    I understand this thinking to some degree. It just doesn't account for the fact that a good economy can boost the income of "scum bags".
    Lizzie???? Gonna have to quote that for me.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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