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Your Opinion on this Video Clip

What is your opinion of this rant?

  • I fully believe all our asses are owned

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • I mostly believe all our asses are owned

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • I somewhat believe our asses are owned

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • I do not believe it at all

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • It's all about right vs. left!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    24
opendebate said:
I would hesitate to disagree with the idea that those in the upper-mid to higher rungs are estranged if not from the country as a whole certainly from those who are in the lower rungs.

I'm not sure what your point is though.
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I'm suggesting that each class group creates a sense of "the other" with those who are not in their income bracket.
 
RiverDad said:
People with higher incomes have been found to be working longer hours and enjoying less leisure activity than those who earn less.
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by whom?
 
opendebate said:
by whom?
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One I found:

A CNN article summarizing the study: Leisure inequality: Who's bumming around more? - Economy

A link to the study:
The Evolution of Income, Consumption, and Leisure Inequality in The US, 1980-2010

Here's a caveat to the finding:

More than half of the increase in leisure inequality can be attributed to higher unemployment rates of adults with less education and skills, said Erik Hurst, a University of Chicago professor who co-authored the report.
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If over 50% of their findings rely on the notion that you have no job and thus your leisure time has increased, it's hardly a bang against the lower classes or the unemployed.
 
Fiddytree said:
There were a lot of social and political experiments from that generation, from the merely ambitious economic policies (the Great Society) to a renewed neomarxism (often found in the New Left) and those that sought to recreate the human experience in psychological social groups. A great many of the ideas were discontinued after disappointing results, or had been victim to pure utopianism.
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It was also a time of great upheaval with 3 assassinations which struck to the core of the nation.....The Great Society was a step in the right direction and yes, the left moved further and further to the left...
 
Thorgasm said:
I like you, dude. But to be honest, you are coming across a little unhinged here in this thread. Calm down. :2razz:
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I get a little upset when people surrender with out a fight.

Seriously though, the Government has tanks and attack helicopters.
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China had tanks too.
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I don't think that man cared about propaganda.

One unarmed man stopped a mechanized Calvary.

The Government rules the propaganda machine. Most people are not critical thinkers.
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Carlines part of that propaganda. Funny thing about propaganda, it is worthless if people point out it's lies.
Most people believe whatever confirms their preconceived notions.
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I think a lot of people don't believe in anything.

As long as people have their internet and smart phones, they aren't going to "rock the boat". People as a whole are hopeless with regards to their apathy about the state of things currently.
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Materialism is a symptom of people being talked it off their beliefs dreamsand hopes.
That could change, but as of right now, it doesn't look that way. This is why Congress has an 11% approval rating and a 97% re-election rate. People are easy to mislead.
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Why bother caring ifyou are just going to get ****ed in the end. That is why I dispised Carlin's message.

If I appear unhinged it's because I believe in something.

Hero's dint need to be men of steel or Jane magical greenness or be the next step in an evolutionary process. They just have to have the strength to get back up when beaten down. And not give up. Having something to believe in gives you that drive.

I forget the origin of this quote but it was brilliant. "I don't worship heros, I pity the world that needs them"-unknown-

I agree with that quote.
 
Fiddytree said:
I'm suggesting that each class group creates a sense of "the other" with those who are not in their income bracket.
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That may be true but does not negate my point. I was disagreeing with your argument that many people who build personal wealth to so believing that their is a positive by-product enjoyed by the greater community. I just don't believe that their is any genuine inclusion of serving some noble purpose like that in their agendas. Of course their are always exceptions and I do not demonize successful people. I hold people accountable who acquired their wealth by the abuse of others.
 
Juanita said:
It was also a time of great upheaval with 3 assassinations which struck to the core of the nation.....The Great Society was a step in the right direction and yes, the left moved further and further to the left...
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Absolutely so. The victories of the era, the desperation of the time should absolutely be part of the story. However, I think it's important to note the very real strain in the intellectual history of the Left that collided with failure or unanticipated results during the 1960s and early 1970s. It often had been noted that by the 1970s, demoralization was the new reality for that generation. They left activism and politics for community organizations and their own work, feeling as if change was hardly possible.
 
opendebate said:
That may be true but does not negate my point. I was disagreeing with your argument that many people who build personal wealth to so believing that their is a positive by-product enjoyed by the greater community. I just don't believe that their is any genuine inclusion of serving some noble purpose like that in their agendas. Of course their are always exceptions and I do not demonize successful people. I hold people accountable who acquired their wealth by the abuse of others.
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But your attitude is certainly giving credence to the notion that progressives or liberals feel a great deal more cynical about the wealthy's intentions or outlook on society.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well if people weren't so quick to surrender than.
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Your surrender may simply be embracing reality or loving it. This might be crazy to idealists, but perhaps it's not so 1984 (in that intended gut wrenching sense) to "love Big Brother."
 
Fiddytree said:
Absolutely so. The victories of the era, the desperation of the time should absolutely be part of the story. However, I think it's important to note the very real strain in the intellectual history of the Left that collided with failure or unanticipated results during the 1960s and early 1970s. It often had been noted that by the 1970s, demoralization was the new reality for that generation. They left activism and politics for community organizations and their own work, feeling as if change was hardly possible.
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Many activists did retreat, for good reason as they were being murdered and jailed...Unfortunately, most did not reemerge as activists.. Change had been accomplished to a point and they let others take up the struggle in a different way...
 
opendebate said:
by whom?
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The liberal rag, THE NEW YORK TIMES reports:

But what’s different from Weber’s era is that it is now the rich who are the most stressed out and the most likely to be working the most. Perhaps for the first time since we’ve kept track of such things, higher-income folks work more hours than lower-wage earners do. Since 1980, the number of men in the bottom fifth of the income ladder who work long hours (over 49 hours per week) has dropped by half, according to a study by the economists Peter Kuhn and Fernando Lozano. But among the top fifth of earners, long weeks have increased by 80 percent.​

This study predates the current economic recession, it also included the booming labor market of the 90s. This finding isn't a surprise to people who follow the labor market literature. It's well known and we see it in countries other the US. I recall reading a Canadian Time-Use study which analyzed how Canadians of different socioeconomic classes spent every minute of every day. Lower income, working people spent more time watching TV per week than did higher income, working people.

The explanation for this is quite simple. The opportunity cost of leisure is too high for high income earners. If you can make an additional $150 per hour, would you rather spend an extra 10 hours per week working or using that time to watch TV or piss around at a mall? For lower income people, that extra 10 hours of working might mean an extra $100 and for them their leisure time returns greater happiness.
 
Has materialism and technology driven the new age into higher categories of learning and excellence or are they just different? It's the common definition of success that usually drives the majority of a society towards something.

Traditionally, we had a large middle class of average educated, hard working savers. Now we have a separation of growing lower and higher classes, with completely different world's to live in.

The larger question will be, can big brother keep this juggernaut on the tracks, or will it derail from desperation, global frictions and financial imbalances?
 
Fiddytree said:
But your attitude is certainly giving credence to the notion that progressives or liberals feel a great deal more cynical about the wealthy's intentions or outlook on society.
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I understand how these attitudes evolve and the weaknesses that come with being human. Greed is an effective motivator whether it is for material wealth or status and we are all capable of it. Many people will choose to rationalize the selfish acts it takes to acquire "success" that doesn't make them evil it makes them human. So, I guess my point it that I don't consider it being cynical I consider it being realistic about human nature and what (in general) it takes to acquire wealth, especially great wealth. Can you hold someone accountable for actions that are ultimately selfish or self-serving without condemning them as people.
 
opendebate said:
I understand how these attitudes evolve and the weaknesses that come with being human. Greed is an effective motivator whether it is for material wealth or status and we are all capable of it. Many people will choose to rationalize the selfish acts it takes to acquire "success" that doesn't make them evil it makes them human. So, I guess my point it that I don't consider it being cynical I consider it being realistic about human nature and what (in general) it takes to acquire wealth, especially great wealth. Can you hold someone accountable for actions that are ultimately selfish or self-serving without condemning them as people.
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So may I backtrack a tad? Do you agree with the notion that I advanced that each economic class dehumanizes the other and justifies and legitimately believes their existence based on superior morals or ethics?
 
Juanita said:
What do you think Eminent Domain means? Yes, they abso!utely "can" take your property if they want it..... Anyway, you are entirely missing my point, maybe because you are young.
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Eminent domain is just words, they can't kill you they can't take something if they are met with force they cannot over come.

I get your point completely, it's "give up because you can't win" my age has nothing to do with it. It's my resolve. It's the fact that I am willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice, that I am not willing to accept defeat.

Why do they have the right to have all this personal information?
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Because we gave it to them voluntarily because of defeatist attitudes. You have completely surrendered to them. They will not stop until they take everything or we stop them. Those are the only two possible outcomes. They aren't just going to decide they have enough, they are going to take and take and take until they can't any more. We have to be the ones that say "no more." Meanwhile you have scum like Maxine waters asking "what can this country do for me."

Are you married? Do you have kids?
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I am not married legally, my state will not recognize my marriage because my husband is the same sex as I am. I have a child. All the more reason to stand up.
Do you know that if you ever hit your wife, that your children can be taken away and put in foster care?
This means I should give up all hope and be a defeatist? The reasons you give for the defeatist attitude suck. I would never hit my spouse.
Do you have ANY idea of the power that your State government has?
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I haven't given them any. I don't knowwhy you would give it up so easily. That is why they have it. They took one kid away and the people didn't speak up or revolt or stop them.

The power they have is an illusion. And it's one you have bought into.

If people saw one person's rights being trampled and realized that the person that is being victimized isn't the only person being trampled that if they can snatch rights away from one person they have effectively taken them from us all, this crap would stop immediately.

Everybody watching as people have their rights stripped and not standing up and saying something is guilty of letting them slip away.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."-Neimöller-
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Fiddytree said:
So may I backtrack a tad? Do you agree with the notion that I advanced that each economic class dehumanizes the other and justifies and legitimately believes their existence based on superior morals or ethics?
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I understand the necessity in conversations like this to make broad generalizations...but I really hate them. Having said that, yes I agree.
 
Fiddytree said:
Your surrender may simply be embracing reality or loving it.
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So you could find happiness in slavery? I cannot.
This might be crazy to idealists, but perhaps it's not so 1984 (in that intended gut wrenching sense) to "love Big Brother."
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Good thing the colonists didn't feel that way during the revolution. Just saying. Good thing Nat turner didn't feel that way, or George Washington, or Jane Lincoln, or Martin Luther, or Martin Luther king Jr. Or Joan of arc.

Those that remained silent in history did not do anything with their mention in it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Eminent domain is just words, they can't kill you they can't take something if they are met with force they cannot over come.

I get your point completely, it's "give up because you can't win" my age has nothing to do with it. It's my resolve. It's the fact that I am willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice, that I am not willing to accept defeat.

Because we gave it to them voluntarily because of defeatist attitudes. You have completely surrendered to them. They will not stop until they take everything or we stop them. Those are the only two possible outcomes. They aren't just going to decide they have enough, they are going to take and take and take until they can't any more. We have to be the ones that say "no more." Meanwhile you have scum like Maxine waters asking "what can this country do for me."

I am not married legally, my state will not recognize my marriage because my husband is the same sex as I am. I have a child. All the more reason to stand up.
Do you know that if you ever hit your wife, that your children can be taken away and put in foster care?
This means I should give up all hope and be a defeatist? The reasons you give for the defeatist attitude suck. I would never hit my spouse.
I haven't given them any. I don't knowwhy you would give it up so easily. That is why they have it. They took one kid away and the people didn't speak up or revolt or stop them.

The power they have is an illusion. And it's one you have bought into.

If people saw one person's rights being trampled and realized that the person that is being victimized isn't the only person being trampled that if they can snatch rights away from one person they have effectively taken them from us all, this crap would stop immediately.

Everybody watching as people have their rights stripped and not standing up and saying something is guilty of letting them slip away.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me."-Neimöller-
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OMG....You don't have a clue on what is going on in your own country.... I did not GIVE them ANYTHING.....They TOOK it........it doesn't mean that anyone has GIVEN UP...we are fighting everyday....
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CLAX1911 said:
So you could find happiness in slavery? I cannot. Good thing the colonists didn't feel that way during the revolution. Just saying. Good thing Nat turner didn't feel that way, or George Washington, or Jane Lincoln, or Martin Luther, or Martin Luther king Jr. Or Joan of arc.

Those that remained silent in history did not do anything with their mention in it.
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Most of human history is not about systemic changes. Furthermore, they remain "silent" in history because the masses are given stories of transformational figures, rather than anything resembling the longue duree or even those that maintain the existing structures. Lastly, many of your appeals to the transformational figures seem to conveniently ignore many of those (including those listed) who attempted to maintain the status quo and reject revolution.
 
Juanita said:
OMG....You don't have a clue on what is going on in your own country.... I did not GIVE them ANYTHING.....They TOOK it.
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You allowed them to take it. When did they put a gun to your head and take something?
You don't have a clue what is going on. This is as old as time. Nothing is new under the sun.
it doesn't mean that anyone has GIVEN UP...we are fighting everyday....
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So you are fighting to take it back? That is great. I wouldn't laughand give money to an assclown that ****s all over my accomplishments.

This thread was about the opinion of Carlin's rant, that is my opinion on it.
 
Fiddytree said:
Most of human history is not about systemic changes. Furthermore, they remain "silent" in history because the masses are given stories of transformational figures, rather than anything resembling the longue duree or even those that maintain the existing structures. Lastly, many of your appeals to the transformational figures seem to conveniently ignore many of those (including those listed) who attempted to maintain the status quo and reject revolution.
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Acceptance of status quo that you do not like is defeat.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You allowed them to take it. When did they put a gun to your head and take something?
You don't have a clue what is going on. This is as old as time. Nothing is new under the sun.
So you are fighting to take it back? That is great. I wouldn't laughand give money to an assclown that ****s all over my accomplishments.

This thread was about the opinion of Carlin's rant, that is my opinion on it.
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Jeez is someone on drugs tonight? You are not making any sense whatsoever...You do know that George Carlin is dead and has been dead for awhile, right? So your answer is to kill them all--the politicians, the police, the caseworkers, the attorneys and all of City Hall???????????? Go for it buddy and see what happens....
 
Middleground said:



Please watch this video and give me your opinion on this George Carlin rant. Please do not vote without watching the full 3 minutes.
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George sounds like a conspiracy theorist.

What George fails to realize here is that you cannot just generalize in such a big sweeping fashion without sounding like a idiot. Most people do not buy into what George was saying about the "owners" bull****. Who are these so called "owners" the ****ing Illuminati?

But perhaps George knew a bit about what he was talking about in that video. His audience paid top dollar for seats to watch him whine about "owners" sticking a dick up their asses while he was doing it to them.
 
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