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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What exactly do you see as the 'alternative'? Seriously...what is it people are looking for? Yes...you play the game and if you do it with hard work and forethought, the game becomes pretty easy. There are people that started with less than zero (through no fault of the 'system' or 'da man') and have managed to build comfortable happy lives. They won properties, businesses, boats, they go on vacations...they dont just exist, they do WELL. That opportunity exists as much today as it ever has. Hell it might be even easier today since there is so much available startup wealth. Multi gazillionaires like Gates and Jobs werent gifted successful corporations...they built them with hard work and innovation.Nothing has changed.
    Pulling oneself up by the bootstraps has gotten progessively harder over the past 35 years or so.

    Everything has gone up but wages. They have been stagnant or actually dropped during that period.

    So sombody today has to work much harder to acheive the goals you speak of than they did in say 1970.

    Jobs were much more secure then too. Most people worked one job their whole lives, with the expectation that if they performed their jobs they would be secure. Now its dog eat dog, no security.

    And a LOT of people aren't equipped at birth to "compete" in todays economy. Never going to be a business owner. Never going to be a programmer or other high tech profession, regardless of how hard they try.

    Pointing at successful outliers is still pointing at outliers. Many COULD succeed as you posit. But i do not believe this is even possible for the majority, much less "everybody". Saying some people still manage to succeed does NOT mean "anybody" can do it.

    Hell, the idea of doing ANYTHING every day for years on end sounds like Hell to me. Its not in my nature. As soon as i get something "down" i lose all interest in it. I have a ridiculously large skillset, making me useful first day at every job i've worked. But i've never found one that would interest me forever.

    LSS, the game has changed so significantly that "conventional wisdom" platitudes simply no longer apply.
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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Pulling oneself up by the bootstraps has gotten progessively harder over the past 35 years or so.

    Everything has gone up but wages. They have been stagnant or actually dropped during that period.

    So sombody today has to work much harder to acheive the goals you speak of than they did in say 1970.

    Jobs were much more secure then too. Most people worked one job their whole lives, with the expectation that if they performed their jobs they would be secure. Now its dog eat dog, no security.

    And a LOT of people aren't equipped at birth to "compete" in todays economy. Never going to be a business owner. Never going to be a programmer or other high tech profession, regardless of how hard they try.

    Pointing at successful outliers is still pointing at outliers. Many COULD succeed as you posit. But i do not believe this is even possible for the majority, much less "everybody". Saying some people still manage to succeed does NOT mean "anybody" can do it.

    Hell, the idea of doing ANYTHING every day for years on end sounds like Hell to me. Its not in my nature. As soon as i get something "down" i lose all interest in it. I have a ridiculously large skillset, making me useful first day at every job i've worked. But i've never found one that would interest me forever.

    LSS, the game has changed so significantly that "conventional wisdom" platitudes simply no longer apply.
    1-Thats simply not true. You can and many people DO work their way up from poverty to prosperity. Immigrants manage to pull it off quite well. People that prepare themselves in High School for careers and a future manage to find success. Shockingly...kids that drop out of school or dont apply themselves at school because after all...it doesnt matter...they are going to be "professional gamers" when they grow up shockingly...fail. 2-Its not so much that the wages are stagnant but that that there ARE several large holes in our economy that have impacted good paying middle income industrial jobs. When the siren song of the down trodden calls for solving the 'problems' by raising the wages on McJobs to 15 an hour, its a pretty good indicator just how screwed up things are. 3-Again...what is your alternative?

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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's called the Tienamen Square Massacre for a reason. In fact, he may have been executed. Other people were run over by tanks.
    Yeah, some people will pay the ultimate price for their beliefs.
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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Please watch this video and give me your opinion on this George Carlin rant. Please do not vote without watching the full 3 minutes.
    I think he's pretty much spot on.

    And I bet that 90% of the people in the audience who clapped and thought, "He's right", went home and voted for the incumbent in the next election.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Yeah, some people will pay the ultimate price for their beliefs.
    Yes, some people will. It depends upon the belief.
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    Re: Your Opinion on this Video Clip

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yes, some people will. It depends upon the belief.
    really whether or not you believe it enough.
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