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    Should college students be able to unionize?

    The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

    Question is what do you think?
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Why wouldn't they?
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Why wouldn't they?
    They aren't employees. And if they were they get education completely free. While others who contribute far more than playing games must pay ludacrisly high tuition. This is going to be an excuse to increase that burden.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    I don't think the ruling was appropriate. College football players are not on the payroll and are not subject to employee regulations from what I understand.

    If anything, college students and football players are more like "customers" in that they select the school, pay tuition and are receiving the service of education with hopes to earn a degree. College students still "pay" tuition, it's just offset by the athletic scholarship.

    As a student for the past 6 years I don't think students should be able to unionize.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    College tuition can't be used to buy a car, or food, etc. so, no, they aren't employees. More like trading partners.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Yes. They aren't asking for cash, they are asking for their medical bills to be covered and for their schoolwork to be respected. How are those bad things? These schools are earning millions of the backs of these kids who are putting their bodies on the line; the least these schools could do is pay for the medical bills and make sure they have adequate time to study.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

    Question is what do you think?
    Thread title is a little leading IMHO but I say yes. Student athletes bring in tens of millions to their colleges while they are forced to live in poverty. Some sports, particularly football is associated with a significant risk to both debilitating physical and neurological injuries. Under NCAA rules, they cannot even get a part-time job at McDonald's after classes, barring them from earning money outside of the school. Yes, they get a free education but its not the same as with other students. Because of travel and practice, they often cannot take advantage of the best educational opportunities available at the university. In fact, if I'm not mistaken they don't even have to pass their classes to graduation as a special student athlete curve is applied to their class requirements. To say they're getting a free education is simply not accurate. What they get is the right to SAY they're students, take classes they don't have to pass, work their butts off as athletes for free, risk debilitating injuries all for the chance at becoming pro someday, something only a minority of college athletes will accomplish.

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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    They aren't employees. And if they were they get education completely free. While others who contribute far more than playing games must pay ludacrisly high tuition. This is going to be an excuse to increase that burden.
    Why shouldn't just anyone be allowed to unionize. I don't mean employees, but just any group of people who are in a similar situation or have similar interests?

    I think that suggesting that individuals should NOT be allowed to form associations, for the purpose of collective negotiating or any other purpose, is quite un-libertarian.

    Large entities have a distinct negotiating advantage that individuals don't have. So lets say that Pharma A has sole rights to produce a certain drug, and because of that they are able to charge a rediculous price for that drug. No individual uses enough of that drug to have any negotiating power, so they are just stuck with whatever price that Pharma A charges. If individuals who needed that drug unionized, they could then boycott purchases from that company, or at least use the threat to do so to gain negotiating power which is more or less equal to Pharma A.

    I suspect that those who don't agree, don't have a true libertarian bone in their bodies. They just want to be able to give large entities huge amounts of negotiating power, while keeping normal individuals virtually powerless.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Why shouldn't just anyone be allowed to unionize. I don't mean employees, but just any group of people who are in a similar situation or have similar interests?

    I think that suggesting that individuals should NOT be allowed to form associations, for the purpose of collective negotiating or any other purpose, is quite un-libertarian.

    Large entities have a distinct negotiating advantage that individuals don't have. So lets say that Pharma A has sole rights to produce a certain drug, and because of that they are able to charge a rediculous price for that drug. No individual uses enough of that drug to have any negotiating power, so they are just stuck with whatever price that Pharma A charges. If individuals who needed that drug unionized, they could then boycott purchases from that company, or at least use the threat to do so to gain negotiating power which is more or less equal to Pharma A.

    I suspect that those who don't agree, don't have a true libertarian bone in their bodies. They just want to be able to give large entities huge amounts of negotiating power, while keeping normal individuals virtually powerless.
    everybody has the right to unionize, but I don't think an institution of higher learning should be occupied with children's games.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes. They aren't asking for cash, they are asking for their medical bills to be covered and for their schoolwork to be respected. How are those bad things? These schools are earning millions of the backs of these kids who are putting their bodies on the line; the least these schools could do is pay for the medical bills and make sure they have adequate time to study.
    or just do away with them being students and they can just be pro ball players, that is all they really are
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