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Should college students be able to unionize?

Yeah, they chose to do it. However, that doesn't mean that the school shouldn't pay their sport related medical bills.

Maybe they "should" by some moral argument but that doesn't mean that they should be forced to. That's what ACA is for yes?
 
But the college doesn't place them in that position. THEY put themselves in that position. This argument is diffusing the responsibility from the choice of the athlete and is placing it on the college

They facilitate a program which, by no mystery, frequently produces injury. His college course, on the other hand, does not.
 
Has it really gotten to this in this Nation?
Where people believe the NCAA athletes should be dangling on a limb,
one terrible knee injury away from financial disaster .

Has it really gotten to this nation that every decision should be paid for by other people?
 
No it's kind of a perfect comparison. You ever get over exposed to developing chemicals?

Does your photography classes net the college MILLIONS of dollars? No, it doesn't. It was a LOUSY comparison.
 
For a hobby. They don't have to play.

They don't have to play. If it isn't fair they can quit.

The least they could do is not offer scholarships and make them pay tuition and get student loans.

These hobbyists are risking their health at their own digression to participate in their hobby. The fact that the school can off set some costs and provide better education for it's students is not wing in the least.

For some kids, they do have to play, otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford to attend the school.

This isn't just a hobby that people do on the side for fun. This is a multi-billion dollar enterprise that is put on the back of these student-athletes. They should, at the least, have any medical bills that come up from playing these sports taken care of.

And no, having their tuition and board paid for is just not enough. It just isn't.
 
And what they don't mention is that football is paying for all the other college sports, which are financial losers, except college basketball.
A quick look at the eight NCAA basketball games this weekend tells you how much the athletes arer getting ripped off.
And look at the prices of parking, tickets, and concessions, not to mention TV and radio rights.
Maybe a lesson on Title IX should be thrown in here to show them what sacrifices these guys make .
Well in many schools those athletes are putting asses in seats and eyeballs on TV ads padding the bottom line. Fact is they do get tuition which is a kind of in kind pay, but the basic quid pro quo is still a relationship akin to employer/employee.

Nevertheless, really who cares? Employee or not, they have an independent right to associate with each other.
 
Maybe they "should" by some moral argument but that doesn't mean that they should be forced to. That's what ACA is for yes?

No, the ACA is the government blowing the insurance companies. We need single payer, but that is a whole other topic.

Back to the point, however, the school should be responsible for the student-athletes injuries, period. It's just the fair thing to do, and I have no issue with the government making a law about it. Especially for publicly funded schools.
 
I agree, I'd love to see the two teams at the end of March madness to simply refuse to play. I mean how many of those players aren't going pro? Million each......
 
Well in many schools those athletes are putting asses in seats and eyeballs on TV ads padding the bottom line.
And in return for that they get free education and housing.

They aren't employees they are consumers. They are welcome to try and get into the major leagues on their own without the college.

Fact is they do get tuition which is a kind of in kind pay, but the basic quid pro quo is still a relationship akin to employer/employee.
Incorrect, the only reason they get a scholarship is because the school makes money on selling tickets to people that with to spectate them playing around.

This relationship is in no way what so ever akin to an employee/employer relationship. They don't need game players. There are millions of people that are willing to do it for free, sdo why on earth would you pay some cry babies for doing it?

Nevertheless, really who cares? Employee or not, they have an independent right to associate with each other.
They don't have the right to a paycheck.
 
If those people are making money off the people working for them, absolutely.
Independents don't put ideological leans first.
Has it really gotten to this nation that every decision should be paid for by other people?
 
And in return for that they get free education and housing.

They aren't employees they are consumers. They are welcome to try and get into the major leagues on their own without the college.


They don't have the right to a paycheck.

They have a right to form the Non-Employee Association of College Athletes for all I care and to bargain for better terms that includes free tuition, housing and 'stipends' if that makes you feel better. They don't have a right to a paycheck until they bargain for one, and they can form that association accordingly. They produce value, if they didn't the colleges needn't bargain, can give scholarships to other students.
 
For some kids, they do have to play, otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford to attend the school.
They don't have to go to school.

This isn't just a hobby that people do on the side for fun.
Yes it is.

This is a multi-billion dollar enterprise that is put on the back of these student-athletes.
Yep many hobbies are billion dollar enterprises.

The game players get plenty in return. First they get to enjoy their hobby, they get free tuition for the ability to enjoy their hobby. They get the opportunity to get a professional position playing games for millions of dollars. That opportunity alone should be worth it.

They should, at the least, have any medical bills that come up from playing these sports taken care of.
I disagree. Should implys an opinion, I think they should take care of their problems on their own like everybody else. They aren't special.

And no, having their tuition and board paid for is just not enough. It just isn't.
That is just an opinion. I think the opportunity to be selected for the pros alone is way more than enough. Tuition and housing is too much. But it is the schools money and they can spend it as they wish.
 
"The game players get plenty in return. First they get to enjoy their hobby, they get free tuition for the ability to enjoy their hobby. They get the opportunity to get a professional position playing games for millions of dollars. That opportunity alone should be worth it."

And they have every right to try to get more.
 
They have a right to form the Non-Employee Association of College Athletes for all I care and to bargain for better terms that includes free tuition, housing and 'stipends' if that makes you feel better.
I never said they didn't have that right. They also have the right to not play football. And the college. has the right to give them the finger and find people who will do it just for the opportunity and not cater to foot stomping cry babies.

They don't have a right to a paycheck until they bargain for one, and they can form that association accordingly.
Nobody has a right to a paycheck. This isn't a communist country. You only have the opportunity to earn a paycheck.

They produce value, if they didn't the colleges needn't bargain, can give scholarships to other students.
They still aren't employees. And they still don't have the right to apaycheck.. no amount of bargaining will change that.
 
The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

Question is what do you think?
Yes college athletes should be able to unionize.They are making their schools millions,so they should get a cut.
 
I agree, I'd love to see the two teams at the end of March madness to simply refuse to play. I mean how many of those players aren't going pro? Million each......
I am not sure what match madness is.

Paying students so that students can have the best opportunities, is madness in all twelve months.
 
The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

Question is what do you think?

I think it's ridiculous. If and when they move into pro-football and actually make money, then they can join the NFL union. Until then, they are college students, supposedly there to get an education. Of course, college football has become an entity unto itself, possessing all the power and corruption that goes with it. Personally, I think college football should be relegated back to being an extra-curricular activity that must be earned based on grades and classwork, and not an unofficial draft pool for the NFL.

Unionize. Pfffft. Ludicrous.
 
I think it's ridiculous. If and when they move into pro-football and actually make money, then they can join the NFL union. Until then, they are college students, supposedly there to get an education. Of course, college football has become an entity unto itself, possessing all the power and corruption that goes with it. Personally, I think college football should be relegated back to being an extra-curricular activity that must be earned based on grades and classwork, and not an unofficial draft pool for the NFL.

Unionize. Pfffft. Ludicrous.
I don't care if they unionize, but people that have everything want more?
 
I don't care if they unionize, but people that have everything want more?

Colleges have turned football into a cash-cow, and now the players want their cut? You miss my point. This is college. The point of college is not playing football. It's shoving enough knowledge into empty little brains so they can go out into the world with enough education to survive, and maybe even make the world a little better.

I'd be perfectly happy if all revenue-generating football was permanently banned from all college campuses, relegated to just another extra-curricular sport like tennis or rugby. College football is corrupt to the core, college football players go through four years of college and some come out functionally illiterate because nobody cares about the football player himself beyond what kind of money he can earn for the damned college. It should be illegal for colleges to pimp their football players for cash, and stealing from them the education that they will need when, you know, their knees blow out.

No college sports should make money for the college, period. Kids need to be educated, not prostituted out of sheer corruption and greed.
 
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