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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Where is the poll?



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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    For the players who don't have a realistic shot at hitting the pros, that might be enough for most of them.
    It's enough for all of them.

    Being a student isn't a paying job.



    Even for players who can't make the pros but who are part of teams which rake into 10s of millions of dollars for their schools, these guys might not be satisfied with getting a free education.
    They don't have to go to school than.

    If they aren't satisfied they can turn the deal down or quit playing games for amusement.

    If you're undervalued at work, the fact that you're getting a salary doesn't erase the fact that you think that you're worth more and that you're willing to fight or negotiate for more. When your boss tells you "What are you complaining about, I'm already paying you" that's not going to end the matter for you.
    Why do you fail to understand being a student, (I.e. choosing to be a consumer of a service provided by a university) is not employment. They have hired the school to educate them.



    Tell that to the businessmen who coach the teams, the one's who televise the games, the recruiters for the pros, the pro team owners. They're all working and getting paid, so why shouldn't the players.
    Students aren't employees of a college they are customers of a college.

    So your comparisons to business and labor are of no relevance.

    A customer/student isn't an employee.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I bet this ruling doesn't survive federal court review
    There is nothing to stop them from collectively refusing to play games for the college. But the college should be allowed to throw them out.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Where is the poll?
    I typed it out but it never appeared on this thread, I don't know why.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    There is nothing to stop them from collectively refusing to play games for the college. But the college should be allowed to throw them out.
    That is how I have always seen things

    employees should be able to unionize but the employer should have the right to fire them for that

    if the employees are able to get all competent labor to agree-they win

    if the employer can find competent replacement labor, the unionizers get squashed

    the government shouldn't protect either entity



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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I typed it out but it never appeared on this thread, I don't know why.
    did you check the poll box?



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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

    Question is what do you think?
    Everyone has a right to organize and advocate for their interests.

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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is how I have always seen things

    employees should be able to unionize but the employer should have the right to fire them for that

    if the employees are able to get all competent labor to agree-they win

    if the employer can find competent replacement labor, the unionizers get squashed

    the government shouldn't protect either entity
    I think I've established my bona fides as a cold-hearted capitalist bastard, but I can't go along with that. Capital has an inherent advantage over labor, especially when we're talking about individuals instead of groups and so this type of arrangement where replacement labor is used to boot out the union labor is just wrong. When you're screwing with people's livelihoods then you get murders of replacement laborers and of management.

    If unions are being totally unreasonable and threatening to bankrupt a corporation then management can relocate, but when it comes to negotiating how to split the wealth created, labor needs to have some leverage to use against capital and unions are, in theory, the best way to do that.

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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I think I've established my bona fides as a cold-hearted capitalist bastard, but I can't go along with that. Capital has an inherent advantage over labor, especially when we're talking about individuals instead of groups and so this type of arrangement where replacement labor is used to boot out the union labor is just wrong. When you're screwing with people's livelihoods then you get murders of replacement laborers and of management.

    If unions are being totally unreasonable and threatening to bankrupt a corporation then management can relocate, but when it comes to negotiating how to split the wealth created, labor needs to have some leverage to use against capital and unions are, in theory, the best way to do that.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    And as for the rest of us college students that have to pay for medical bills and may not have adequate time to study? Should we just put everybody in a foam room? They made a choice to attend COLLEGE and play a sport. The chance of injury is not created by the school but something they voluntarily signed up for
    The school is making millions of dollars off of them. The least they could do is pay for the medical bills associated with the activity that made the school millions of dollars.
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