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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Thread title is a little leading IMHO but I say yes. Student athletes bring in tens of millions to their colleges while they are forced to live in poverty. Some sports, particularly football is associated with a significant risk to both debilitating physical and neurological injuries. Under NCAA rules, they cannot even get a part-time job at McDonald's after classes, barring them from earning money outside of the school. Yes, they get a free education but its not the same as with other students. Because of travel and practice, they often cannot take advantage of the best educational opportunities available at the university. In fact, if I'm not mistaken they don't even have to pass their classes to graduation as a special student athlete curve is applied to their class requirements. To say they're getting a free education is simply not accurate. What they get is the right to SAY they're students, take classes they don't have to pass, work their butts off as athletes for free, risk debilitating injuries all for the chance at becoming pro someday, something only a minority of college athletes will accomplish.

    I say pay them and stick the money in a high return investment account trust fund they can get at age 50.
    okay then they aren't students, they are pro ball players, if they don't have to study and pass then they aren't really students.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    College tuition can't be used to buy a car, or food, etc. so, no, they aren't employees. More like trading partners.
    Scholarships can cover that. And real students have to pay those things and accrue massive debt

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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    If they are employees then they should be taxed on their compensation just like everyone else.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think the ruling was appropriate. College football players are not on the payroll and are not subject to employee regulations from what I understand.

    If anything, college students and football players are more like "customers" in that they select the school, pay tuition and are receiving a the service of education with hopes to earn a degree. College students still "pay" tuition, it's just offset by the athletic scholarship.

    As a student for the past 6 years I don't think students should be able to unionize.
    I agree if we are going to call these people employees than why call them students?

    A student studing to be a doctor doesn't get free school or payment. For studying. I think a doctor had more value to society than a person that plays games for amusement.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    The National Labor Relations Board in Chicago has ruled that football players at Northwestern University are employees and can unionize.

    Question is what do you think?
    The real question should be: Can non-employees unionize?

    Yes.

    If they have to work in tandem with said organization or business in order to accomplish something then they do have rights and specific interests. Colleges pursue legislators and wage against the students by raising prices and all else - effectively barring the students from input even though it places the results of these decisions square on the student's shoulders.

    Makes perfect sense to give them more representation and voice.

    Universities look at students as little more than money makers which is abusive toward the whole concept. If colleges hadn't spun so out of control it would be a non-issue but it's clear they don't always hold the student's best interest.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    These players are creating economic value. We all acknowledge that, don't we? The question here is how that economic value should be allocated. Right now it is the coaches and the University (the owner) who get it all. The players deserve to get some of that far more so that non-player students who get the benefit of lowered costs as the profits are plowed back into the university.

    The alternative here is for universities to divest themselves of football teams, let some businessmen buy the stadiums and teams, license the use of the university name, transform college ball into a minor league for football, and then hire players directly from high schools and pay them whatever the market will bear.

    I'm a capitalist, but I'm not in favor of exploitation of labor.

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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Scholarships can cover that. And real students have to pay those things and accrue massive debt

    Cry me a river.
    I can't put a scholarship in the bank, or invest it, etc.


    If they are employees, it sets a scary precedent for the rest of us. It means employers can dictate to employees what they must spend their "earnings" on.



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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    High school football creates a lot of revenue, too.






    At what point did playing sports stop being a fun thing to do while going to school and start being a job?
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The real question should be: Can non-employees unionize?

    Yes.

    If they have to work in tandem with said organization or business in order to accomplish something then they do have rights and specific interests. Colleges pursue legislators and wage against the students by raising prices and all else - effectively barring the students from input even though it places the results of these decisions square on the student's shoulders.

    Makes perfect sense to give them more representation and voice.

    Universities look at students as little more than money makers which is abusive toward the whole concept. If colleges hadn't spun so out of control it would be a non-issue but it's clear they don't always hold the student's best interest.
    I agree non employees should be allowed to unionize. They are saying they are employees rather than customers.
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    Re: Should college students be able to unionize?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I can't put a scholarship in the bank, or invest it, etc.
    that isn't what a scholarship is for. If they want to make money right now, they can opt not to go to college and find work.

    Other students have to pay their bills with no compensation. I can't put debt in the bank or invest it, ect.

    If you are suggesting that students be payed for their studies than let's start with pmed students.


    If they are employees, it sets a scary precedent for the rest of us. It means employers can dictate to employees what they must spend their "earnings" on.
    They aren't employees, they are students. So it isn't scary. Colleges don't pay their students, their students, pay them.

    They are customers. If customers can unionize and demand employment from the organization they patronize that is equally frightening.
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