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    What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Clearly, with their country invaded, their navy seized or destroyed, and chaos growing, the leader of Ukraine could declare martial law and combined with being commander of the military take any action. Assume you had total power to make all decisions, what would you do?

    Fight Russia with everything you got. If so, how?

    Capitulate. Realize there is no way to win and turn all of Ukraine over to Russia to spare lives, conceding all Ukraineans are again defeated and subjugated people?

    Flee. Find another country as a safe haven and get your family, your friends and you and get out of there?

    Stick it out. Just ride the wave however it goes?

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    I would pursue a particular battle plan and fight it out with Russia.

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    I'd clean up the government as best I could, the Russian strategy for the rest of Ukraine is going to be to try and destabilize my government at all levels by inciting protests/riots, bribing police chiefs, mayors, governors, pretty much anyone they can get their hands on in government they are going to target to try and weaken the authority in Kiev. Most importantly the judicial system needs to work fairly and openly, without an effective and honest judicial system there is no hope for anything else.

    At the same time the fiscal state of the country needs to be fixed, the last President basically ran the place as his own piggy bank and flat out stole over 70 billion in government revenue which went into his personal bank account, not to mention all the oligarchs and other corrupt business owners that were given fat unneeded subsidies from the government as a form of political payout. That needs to stop as well, the wealth of Ukraine that is collected by taxes is for the people of Ukraine it needs to be invested in infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc, etc all of which will create jobs and the landscape for future growth.

    Lastly get help from the outside. I'd need money from the EU and USA to help get me through his rough time and I want advisers as well, people who are experts in every possible field from judicial proceedings to police work to accounting to managing agriculture to transport experts to military trainers to ****ing everything, I mean everything. I want all of it. I want these people to come to give us their expertise and act as "watch dogs" who can report corruption and under performance within the ranks of the government. I want to sign trade agreements with the EU I want to get short term favorable trade agreements to boost my weak economy as much as possible.

    That's just for starters.

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I'd clean up the government as best I could, the Russian strategy for the rest of Ukraine is going to be to try and destabilize my government at all levels by inciting protests/riots, bribing police chiefs, mayors, governors, pretty much anyone they can get their hands on in government they are going to target to try and weaken the http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...78820authority in Kiev. Most importantly the judicial system needs to work fairly and openly, without an effective and honest judicial system there is no hope for anything else.

    At the same time the fiscal state of the country needs to be fixed, the last President basically ran the place as his own piggy bank and flat out stole over 70 billion in government revenue which went into his personal bank account, not to mention all the oligarchs and other corrupt business owners that were given fat unneeded subsidies from the government as a form of political payout. That needs to stop as well, the wealth of Ukraine that is collected by taxes is for the people of Ukraine it needs to be invested in infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc, etc all of which will create jobs and the landscape for future growth.

    Lastly get help from the outside. I'd need money from the EU and USA to help get me through his rough time and I want advisers as well, people who are experts in every possible field from judicial proceedings to police work to accounting to managing agriculture to transport experts to military trainers to ****ing everything, I mean everything. I want all of it. I want these people to come to give us their expertise and act as "watch dogs" who can report corruption and under performance within the ranks of the government. I want to sign trade agreements with the EU I want to get short term favorable trade agreements to boost my weak economy as much as possible.

    That's just for starters.
    What are you going to do about the Russian military rolling in further?

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What are you going to do about the Russian military rolling in further?
    If they decide to do something like they did in Crimea to another part of Ukraine I believe the only option would be to fight them this time, while I wouldn't expect to win and I wouldn't expect direct military help from another country I don't think that my government could still claim to be capable of governing if we allowed ourselves to be picked apart bit by bit. It would be tough to see another scenario where I could not openly engage the Russians, the Ukrainian people who support this government don't really blame it for losing Crimea. After all their former President betrayed them to Russia and Russia invaded only days after the new government came in, they understand there wasn't much they could do but if they tried it a second time then it would demand a forceful response.

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What are you going to do about the Russian military rolling in further?
    All this stuff I'm talking about is long term, if Russia were to invade again then I must change my mindset and start thinking short term and act as if Russia intends to conquer the whole or most of my country and fight back accordingly. No western power will get involved in a war against Russia so they will keep their distance from me but what choice would I have? You can't think long term if there is no long term which would exactly be the problem if they invaded again.

    I suppose my final act would be to order the opening of every military arsenal and spreading the weapons among the civilian population along with releasing my Army units from formal command as the situation fell apart with instructions to dissolve into smaller units as the situation required so as to give the Russians too many targets to be able to catch all them. Basically this would be a national version of the "Break Contact" battle drill with the intent of spreading military resources into so many small and uncoordinated units and partisans that the Russians couldn't possibly pick them all off, and then the bloody horrible insurgency starts.

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    I would apply for immediate membership in NATO, and request military assistance for training, and a cross-basing agreement.

    Get as many NATO countries to cohabitate their bases as possible, and arrange for a NATO military exercise along the borders with Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and Romania. This is on the far side of the country from Russia, and each of the countries I mentioned is also a member of NATO.

    Russia could not say jack-squat, and they will quickly get the message. They are willing to take on single countries who are on their own, but there is no way they are going to risk taking on NATO.
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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    All this stuff I'm talking about is long term, if Russia were to invade again then I must change my mindset and start thinking short term and act as if Russia intends to conquer the whole or most of my country and fight back accordingly. .

    I suppose my final act would be to order the opening of every military arsenal and spreading the weapons among the civilian population along with releasing my Army units from formal command as the situation fell apart with instructions to dissolve into smaller units as the situation required so as to give the Russians too many targets to be able to catch all them. Basically this would be a national version of the "Break Contact" battle drill with the intent of spreading military resources into so many small and uncoordinated units and partisans that the Russians couldn't possibly pick them all off, and then the bloody horrible insurgency starts.
    And hopefully it wont come to that.

    If Russia can be mollified -either genuinely happy with just Crimea, or afraid of crippling economic sanctions if they take more (Russia is not in the same situation that he arab oil countries were), I would study the militaries of Finland, Israel, Switzerland and Israel- especially their comprehensive and high quality reserve systems. Finland even uses alot of out dated equipment, yet compensates through superior training. I would then try to imitate them as much as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I would apply for immediate membership in NATO, and request military assistance for training, and a cross-basing agreement.
    So would I. But... most NATO members view the alliance as a social club and dont want to be dragged into a eastern European conflict between people with names they cant pronounce. In short, they would accept Ukraine's application and place it under consideration- for years.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 03-26-14 at 11:12 PM.

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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    I would take comfort in the words of President Obama today if I were him, putting Putin in the small place where he belongs.
    He would do well to repeat them and not speak outside of those supporting him.
    He should ignore unAmericans like Romney and Rumsefeld for trashing a President while he is Overseas .
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    Re: What would you do if you were the leader of Ukraine?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    And hopefully it wont come to that.

    If Russia can be mollified -either genuinely happy with just Crimea, or afraid of crippling economic sanctions (Russia is not in the same situation that he arab oil countries were), I would study the militaries of Finland, Israel, Switzerland and Israel- especially their comprehensive and high quality reserve systems. Finland even uses alot of out dated equipment, yet compensates through superior training. I would then try to imitate them as much as possible.
    The problem here is that they have not been happy so far.

    Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Georgia, now Ukraine. Russia does not like to admit it is not the Soviet Union, and does not have as much power over it's now independent nations on the borders. And many are now split between nostalgia to the good parts of the Soviet Empire, and the reality of being an independent nation.

    IF this continues, expect to see more and more Finlandization in Eastern Europe.
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. - John Stuart Mill

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