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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I wouldn't characterise the Obama presidency as having been a particularly liberal one, would you? What do you think he has done that would have been ideologically anathema to a mainstream Republican in the HW, Reagan or Eisenhower mould? The ACA is a classically liberal economic plan, without a hint of socialised medicine. So 'liberal' in an economic sense. Is that the sense you meant?
    I would. Liberal and conservative are relative to time and space. Conservatives in the early 21st century have started putting a premium on increasing privatization and disliking certain types of government mandates wherever the present themselves. The ACA represented something conservatives could, abstractly speaking, tolerate, say 15 years ago, but no longer. As far as actual time spent in the Presidency, I always think of the Presidency as much more likely to snip off most of the energy of any platform.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Democrats. It is going to be interesting to see how they will try to out distance the others from Obamacare without being audited.

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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Really? I'd say it has been Obama's relative inexperience that has ham-strung his time in office. Had he got the key to the Oval Office with another 8-years in Congress, he may have been able to manage his relations with the Hill a lot better. If I were an American, I'd be rooting for Hillary - how much more experience could a candidate possibly have? She's be the most qualified President-elect in US history.
    He's done okay at managing the Presidency, but I too think more experience and institutional knowledge would have better served him.

    If I were an American, I'd be rooting for Hillary - how much more experience could a candidate possibly have? She's be the most qualified President-elect in US history.
    Let's not go anywhere near that far. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and John Quincy Adams alone have much more interesting resumes than Hillary. For a lot of these people, we're talking about an institutional knowledge that might have been matched by someone of the likes of Henry Stimson. Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, no such luck.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Democrats. It is going to be interesting to see how they will try to out distance the others from Obamacare without being audited.
    Im sure they will tout how they can fix all the flaws and make it run perfectly or will advocate for a single payer system

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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I think the Democrats need to continue the trend of bringing in fresh new faces. Not old guard like Hillary or Biden, but new guard, essentially like what Obama was.
    What Obama was is not likely to get the nod in either party; an unknown smooth talker with no executive experience.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I dont see Santorum as a strong candidate I was just pointing out the history. His ideas are too far out there and hes not very charismatic. As for people not liking dynasties the Bush's still have lots of fans in the GOP and the dems are all but certain to nominate Clinton if she runs seems that there are plenty out there who don't seem to mind.

    The throw em out tea party still has some influence in the GOP but its shrinking not growing. Guys with experience like Huckabee, Gingrich and Ryan could have a shot but I dont see the newcomers both to national office and running for president, like Paul, Cruz and Rubio, to have much of a shot other than to be the "anything but" choice

    The GOP just posted its top 32 candidates for a straw poll, this time of year that deserves a bracket. Interesting to see the real non candidates that are on it.
    Sure enough Clinton might be selected, but a second Clinton is not entirely (though Bush Jr. ran into many of the same initial problems) the same as trying to run a third Bush.

    Gingrich gave it as good as he could do in 2012, and I think he's not going to get a better return after another go. Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Rubio need more time in the oven, I agree.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016?

    Dems or Reps?

    They both have the potential to be wide-open, with no incumbents.
    Too soon to tell imo
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I would. Liberal and conservative are relative to time and space. Conservatives in the early 21st century have started putting a premium on increasing privatization and disliking certain types of government mandates wherever the present themselves.
    It's a 100% privatized solution, is it not?

    What else has he done that marks him out as a quintessentially liberal POTUS? He's very hawkish on security matters, has completely failed to fulfill his liberal FP election promises. He'd be welcomed in any centre-right, Christian-democrat party in Europe - not the merest whiff of radicalism anywhere in Washington.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's a 100% privatized solution, is it not?

    What else has he done that marks him out as a quintessentially liberal POTUS? He's very hawkish on security matters, has completely failed to fulfill his liberal FP election promises. He'd be welcomed in any centre-right, Christian-democrat party in Europe - not the merest whiff of radicalism anywhere in Washington.
    It's a means of providing the private market more consumers, but it is a federally-mandated solution with its own criteria attached to insurance plans and so forth. Conservatives over the past 30-40 years have had an off-and-on sort of relationship with those concepts. He's semi-hawkish on security matters (part of that is institutionally set), but he has also pressed for a more hands-off or anti-unilateral conceptualization of American foreign policy.

    Right, you're speaking to what is intellectually common throughout Europe. However, as you would rightfully point out to an American, there is something lost in the translation by presuming what is in one area of the world is similar to what is in another country. An American wouldn't be able to take his cultural and political inclinations and expect them to transport very well to Europe.
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    Re: Which Presidential primary race do you think will be the most interesting in 2016

    The Republican primary will be the most interesting. I can't wait to see who is going to run.
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