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  • To raise the child to be happy, healthy, and successful in whatever path they choose

    25 67.57%
  • To help them before a moral citizen

    1 2.70%
  • To value God (or deity of your choice) over everything else

    2 5.41%
  • To be a free spirit

    2 5.41%
  • To agree with your political and cultural values

    0 0%
  • To get them out of the house ASAP

    0 0%
  • Other

    6 16.22%
  • the "out" answer (rootabega)

    1 2.70%
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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's crap when it comes to society and actually creating and continuing a nation or culture that is worth living in.
    Ironic, especially sense on that we are going in the wrong direction.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Because any and all organisms can reproduce...takes little or nothing at all. There is ZERO ability or skill or often even choice involved. ANYTHING can reproduce, pretty much. That is not a 'quality' to lift up as a criteria for a higher ground, it is innate.
    Without is there is no higher ground. Species do go extinct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So procreation is a given...anything can procreate. Everything after that....religion, culture, science, art, compassion, infrastructure, laws....is primary.
    Not everyone procreates. Some can't, others won't. And still others are busy doing things that are not very productive.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Ironic, especially sense on that we are going in the wrong direction.

    Without is there is no higher ground. Species do go extinct.

    Not everyone procreates. Some can't, others won't. And still others are busy doing things that are not very productive.
    Well the first is opinion, certainly....but if you cant grasp the big picture of the difference between existing (any organism) and contributing to the building blocks of a society....that's on you, not me.

    Next: do you believe the species go extinct based on moral grounds? That other species besides humans have morals? Interesting. And wrong.

    And third, I was speaking of species, humans specifically, yet you commented on individuals. Odd. Everyone does not have to procreate to contribute to society and all the things I listed however (religion, culture, science, art, laws, etc.). Again....that's kind of the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I was speaking of species, humans specifically, yet you commented on individuals. Odd. Everyone does not have to procreate to contribute to society and all the things I listed however (religion, culture, science, art, laws, etc.). Again....that's kind of the point.
    Somebody has to procreate or there wouldn't be any society.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Somebody has to procreate or there wouldn't be any society.
    The original statement was qualifying procreation as something particularly special. It is not. Any organism does so.

    That is completely separate from creating society. So IMO, since anything can procreate, there's no point in elevating it....it is the societal aspect that is the primary reason for human success at the top of the food chain (metaphorically speaking).
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The original statement was qualifying procreation as something particularly special. It is not. Any organism does so.

    That is completely separate from creating society. So IMO, since anything can procreate, there's no point in elevating it....it is the societal aspect that is the primary reason for human success at the top of the food chain (metaphorically speaking).
    But you can't diminish the importance of procreation either. Procreation is necessary to survival. Art galleries and music are not necessary, they are optional. Those things which are necessary are superior, those which are not are inferior.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Since gender roles has been a big topic here lately. I am curious how DP feels about this topic.

    I am aware that for the most honest answer, this would be a multiple answer poll, but I am more curious about top priorities.

    Edit: Also the second option has a typo (before should be become) (if a mod sees that, would they be willing to fix it?)
    You are correct that an honest answer would require multiples. I would like to point out that, as a Christian, I have noticed in my own life that when I get being obedient to God right, all that other stuff gets added unto me, so to speak. I am happier, more successful, better adjusted, more moral, etc, when I am properly focused.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    But you can't diminish the importance of procreation either. Procreation is necessary to survival. Art galleries and music are not necessary, they are optional. Those things which are necessary are superior, those which are not are inferior.
    If you wish to consider yourself equal with one-celled organisms just to make a point, feel free. ANY living thing can procreate, it is nothing special an this planet. Something so ubiquitous and mostly not even by choice is not 'superior,' what you create from that is superior.

    Again, obviously it is subjective and what actually counts is the final goal of your assumption. So one would ask how you justify anything by saying, 'procreation is superior,' when everything does it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I rather like this: "Give them roots and give them wings."
    Yes. Give them firm roots that they know they can always come back to in a time of crisis. But also the freedom to fly away and explore the world.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Since gender roles has been a big topic here lately. I am curious how DP feels about this topic.

    I am aware that for the most honest answer, this would be a multiple answer poll, but I am more curious about top priorities.

    Edit: Also the second option has a typo (before should be become) (if a mod sees that, would they be willing to fix it?)
    I was going to choose the first option but if the path they chose was to be a serial killer then I wouldn't want them to be successful in that path and I wouldn't support them in it so I'm going to go with a combo.

    To raise the child to be happy, healthy, and successful in whatever path they choose and to help them become a moral citizen. So, #1 and #2
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    Re: The purpose of parenthood

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    I was going to choose the first option but if the path they chose was to be a serial killer then I wouldn't want them to be successful in that path and I wouldn't support them in it so I'm going to go with a combo.

    To raise the child to be happy, healthy, and successful in whatever path they choose and to help them become a moral citizen. So, #1 and #2
    I think healthy rules out psychopathic or sociopathic disorders.

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