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    Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    "The 1896 campaign is often considered to be a realigning election that ended the old Third Party System and began the Fourth Party System.[1] McKinley forged a conservative coalition in which businessmen, professionals, skilled factory workers, and prosperous farmers were heavily represented. "
    United States presidential election, 1896 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Current popular opinion does not favor the bankers, or the top 1%.

    Will this election change things?

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    Re: Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    "The 1896 campaign is often considered to be a realigning election that ended the old Third Party System and began the Fourth Party System.[1] McKinley forged a conservative coalition in which businessmen, professionals, skilled factory workers, and prosperous farmers were heavily represented. "
    United States presidential election, 1896 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Current popular opinion does not favor the bankers, or the top 1%.

    Will this election change things?
    Personally, I don't see it happening in the US - you have no real "in the now" positive experience with third parties other than with Ross Perot back in the early 90s. Most Americans look upon third party candidates as wacko wanna-bes, and in many cases they are. You just have to look north of your border at Canada, where there have been multi-party elections pretty much for all of the living electorate's lifetimes and "new" parties get almost nowhere - the Green party has been in campaigns for decades and they have one member of parliament - the only successful "new" party is the PQ in Quebec that promotes Quebec separatism and they got pretty much wiped out at the federal level in the last election.

    Unless you had a big name player in one of the two main parties in the US break away and start a new party and that person's charisma and policy appeal was so great that he/she drew other name players with him/her, your third parties will continue to only be spoilers who put in office people like Clinton and Bush 2.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I don't see it happening in the US - you have no real "in the now" positive experience with third parties other than with Ross Perot back in the early 90s. Most Americans look upon third party candidates as wacko wanna-bes, and in many cases they are. You just have to look north of your border at Canada, where there have been multi-party elections pretty much for all of the living electorate's lifetimes and "new" parties get almost nowhere - the Green party has been in campaigns for decades and they have one member of parliament - the only successful "new" party is the PQ in Quebec that promotes Quebec separatism and they got pretty much wiped out at the federal level in the last election.

    Unless you had a big name player in one of the two main parties in the US break away and start a new party and that person's charisma and policy appeal was so great that he/she drew other name players with him/her, your third parties will continue to only be spoilers who put in office people like Clinton and Bush 2.
    People who pay attention, and the majority of Americans don't, have noticed that the Federal government has become too powerful. They understand that there is an imbalance of power that has been developing for a while that gives too much power to the executive branch. Democrats don't care about that when there is a Democrat in the White House and Republicans are ineffective in enforcing the balance of power. Personally I've seen lots of Republicans switch to Conservative or Libertarian because frankly, most Republicans favor big government just as much Democrats.

    As liberal policies fail and as our social institutions become insolvent I think we are headed for a change. I don't know what kind but the I think the Tea Party was just a start. The Tea Party isn't a party, it's a movement and I think that movement will solidify some power in the coming years.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    People who pay attention, and the majority of Americans don't, have noticed that the Federal government has become too powerful. They understand that there is an imbalance of power that has been developing for a while that gives too much power to the executive branch. Democrats don't care about that when there is a Democrat in the White House and Republicans are ineffective in enforcing the balance of power. Personally I've seen lots of Republicans switch to Conservative or Libertarian because frankly, most Republicans favor big government just as much Democrats.

    As liberal policies fail and as our social institutions become insolvent I think we are headed for a change. I don't know what kind but the I think the Tea Party was just a start. The Tea Party isn't a party, it's a movement and I think that movement will solidify some power in the coming years.
    You could be right - one can hope you are - but as someone said on another thread recently, the American populace has reached the tipping point where those who benefit from government largesse are becoming greater in numbers than those who pay the freight - as such, it's hard to see how the parties currently in office lose power unless they both, collectively, rein in government - but then, if they did, a third party wouldn't be needed.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    "The 1896 campaign is often considered to be a realigning election that ended the old Third Party System and began the Fourth Party System.[1] McKinley forged a conservative coalition in which businessmen, professionals, skilled factory workers, and prosperous farmers were heavily represented. "
    United States presidential election, 1896 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Current popular opinion does not favor the bankers, or the top 1%.

    Will this election change things?
    I don't think so. The oligarchs are pretty well insulated these days, and Republicans have the ACA to run against and nearly unlimited money with which to saturate the airwaves. My guess is that trickle down is going to have to crash the economy at least one more time and labor conditions will have to get even worse before people get pissed off enough to reject it.

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    Re: Is this a new 1896 Mc Kinley election?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You could be right - one can hope you are - but as someone said on another thread recently, the American populace has reached the tipping point where those who benefit from government largesse are becoming greater in numbers than those who pay the freight - as such, it's hard to see how the parties currently in office lose power unless they both, collectively, rein in government - but then, if they did, a third party wouldn't be needed.
    If we don't change, change will happen by itself. Peak oil used to be the main battle cry for sustainability by the left. Sustainability is an economic concept as well. We can only do the unaffordable for so long.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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