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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    Because there was a real threat to the ethnic Russians of the Crimea. I believe that separationist movements where those involved are under a real, perceivable threat have the right to break away. I don't see how the U.S., EU, or any body can deny this right. I for one value culture and surely you do too. The right of a culture to preserve its language, traditions, and people cannot be understated. If Quebec feels that its culture, ethno-linguistic tradition is at risk, then there's an argument to be made. I'm not too versed in the issue to support that movement though.

    Denmark is ethnically homogeneous so it is incomparable, and has no such ethnic separationist movements. The only such movement would be in the region Bornholm, but that's more historical than anything else.

    Ukraine is torn between ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. So no, I don't think "the republic" should determine the outcome when it's clearly partisan and deeply divided. Almost the entire East region supported Yanukovych and the West supported nationalists and/or Europe-focused parties. The tyranny of the majority could jeopardize the survival of a people, and I don't think that's morally justifiable.
    Define "the real threat to ethnic Russians" in Crimea since that is your claim.

    We know who is the threatened minority in Crimea is. It is always the same. Putin has declared it still is: Tartar Muslims.

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Define "the real threat to ethnic Russians" in Crimea since that is your claim.
    The nationalist government of Kiev poses a great threat to ethnic Russians. Obviously, such a government will neglect the needs of ethnic Russians. You do realize the new government has neo-Nazi elements and has members who are vocally and militantly nationalist?

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    Because there was a real threat to the ethnic Russians of the Crimea. I believe that separationist movements where those involved are under a real, perceivable threat have the right to break away. I don't see how the U.S., EU, or any body can deny this right. I for one value culture and surely you do too. The right of a culture to preserve its language, traditions, and people cannot be understated. If Quebec feels that its culture, ethno-linguistic tradition is at risk, then there's an argument to be made. I'm not too versed in the issue to support that movement though.

    Denmark is ethnically homogeneous so it is incomparable, and has no such ethnic separationist movements. The only such movement would be in the region Bornholm, but that's more historical than anything else.

    Ukraine is torn between ethnic Russians and Ukrainians. So no, I don't think "the republic" should determine the outcome when it's clearly partisan and deeply divided. Almost the entire East region supported Yanukovych and the West supported nationalists and/or Europe-focused parties. The tyranny of the majority could jeopardize the survival of a people, and I don't think that's morally justifiable.
    How about the tyranny of the majority on Crimea? About 58%, I believe, is ethnic Russian/Russian speaking - what of the other 42%? Why should the simple majority in Crimea rule and yet the simple majority in all of Ukraine is discounted?
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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The whole Crimean crisis has its roots in the ouster of former Ukrainian President Yanukovych. The Ukrainian parliament, with the support of Yanukovych's old Party of Regions, voted to impeach Yanukovych. They had a majority, but not the strict percentage (75%) required by the Ukrainian constitution to impeach their president. Nevertheless, they made motions to replace Yanukovych, motions which were accelerated by his fleeing the country into Russia.

    Was this removal of an elected official an illegitimate coup, or was it a revolution that was acceptable given the circumstances?

    If one looks at the technical and legal sense. It was a coup.

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penderyn View Post
    Why then are the bullyboys having kittens, and ranting?
    That's your proof? Really? And what 'bully boys' are you talking about? The ones in the Kremlin who keep sending troops to the Ukraine? Those bully boys? You Euro-lefties need to seek professional help. Your hatred of America has rendered you incoherent.
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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    The nationalist government of Kiev poses a great threat to ethnic Russians. Obviously, such a government will neglect the needs of ethnic Russians. You do realize the new government has neo-Nazi elements and has members who are vocally and militantly nationalist?
    Well, no it doesn't. But good to see the Russian propaganda machine has at least convinced somebody. Of course, those it convinces are those who long for the good old days of Soviet Imperialism.
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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, no it doesn't.
    Have you not heard of Svoboda?

    But good to see the Russian propaganda machine has at least convinced somebody. Of course, those it convinces are those who long for the good old days of Soviet Imperialism.
    And yet I'm bitterly anti-Soviet, anti-communist. Although propaganda is rampant on both sides, I believe that it can be viewed objectively that ethnic Russians are at danger under the new Kiev regime. The U.S. has no right whatsoever to interfere: not only is its interference violating its policy of not interacting and supporting coup governments, but it is completely contradicting its supposed "bastion of freedom and democracy" foreign policy.

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    The nationalist government of Kiev poses a great threat to ethnic Russians. Obviously, such a government will neglect the needs of ethnic Russians. You do realize the new government has neo-Nazi elements and has members who are vocally and militantly nationalist?
    Once again, do you have anything to show a threat other than a speculation and slogan? Anything done to anyone in Crimea? Anything vowed to be done?

    We know the threat under Russia to Ukraineans in Crimea - against Tartar Muslims.

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konig View Post
    Have you not heard of Svoboda?



    And yet I'm bitterly anti-Soviet, anti-communist. Although propaganda is rampant on both sides, I believe that it can be viewed objectively that ethnic Russians are at danger under the new Kiev regime. The U.S. has no right whatsoever to interfere: not only is its interference violating its policy of not interacting and supporting coup governments, but it is completely contradicting its supposed "bastion of freedom and democracy" foreign policy.
    I do not believe you are bitterly anti-Soviet or communist by your messages whatsoever.

    You obviously favor discrimination and "relocation" of Tartar Crimeans so ethnic Russians can again take their land - just as Stalin did. Since you approve of Russia taking Crimea on behave of white Russians and claiming their actions against Tartar Muslims identical to Stalin are better than the terrible threat of the Ukraine government declaring a national language, in this matter you are pro-Soviet and even pro-Stalinism as it gets in the world today.

    You're white, aren't you?

    Did Muslims ever do anything to you and or your family as to why you so bitterly despise them?

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    Re: Was the overthrow of Yanukovych a coup?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Thank you.

    Declaring that Ukraine is establishing a national language is not oppression meriting another country seizing the territory. It is an absurd claim.
    What's more is that the Ukrainian interim president vetoed laws that would have diminished Russian as a regional language status.

    Yeah, they're really just like the Nazis, huh?
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