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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ah, no. A vpn stands for virtual private network. It basically extends a private network over the public network which is the internet.

    TOR allows you to access the deep web, which you can't via VPN.

    So basically ,a VPN keeps you safe (your IP untraceable, or so they say)but you can't access the deep web.
    I don't trust a lot of VPNs. Ehm, I suggest you don't either because most are crap. You don't know, in truth, if a VPN is working or not. To you, it won't seem any different than using chrome incognito, as the end user. You don't see if it is working or not. So I wouldn't trust them.

    Honestly, as a common plebe, like myself, the best thing you can use a VPN for is to change your IP to another country. Like, for australians, use VPN when you log into steam and seem american so you pay american dollars at american rates for games. But your entire life, you'll have to be an american by VPN to access steam or the charade is done for.

    Here's a practical question, I don't care about government tracking I mean I do, but if they wanna waste time on me, that's there business, but say, you know I don't want companies to track me when visiting their sites. Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm looking at a handbag for my wife as a gift and I have to deal with catered ads for, like, ever! That deals with cookies I think, but I'd just as soon not let them know I was there at all if I'm not buying anything.
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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ah, no. A vpn stands for virtual private network. It basically extends a private network over the public network which is the internet.

    TOR allows you to access the deep web, which you can't via VPN.

    So basically ,a VPN keeps you safe (your IP untraceable, or so they say)but you can't access the deep web.
    I don't trust a lot of VPNs. Ehm, I suggest you don't either because most are crap. You don't know, in truth, if a VPN is working or not. To you, it won't seem any different than using chrome incognito, as the end user. You don't see if it is working or not. So I wouldn't trust them.

    Honestly, as a common plebe, like myself, the best thing you can use a VPN for is to change your IP to another country. Like, for australians, use VPN when you log into steam and seem american so you pay american dollars at american rates for games. But your entire life, you'll have to be an american by VPN to access steam or the charade is done for.
    I would think there would be numerous ways to know if your vpn is doing anything, such as as what country's browser you come up with or when you go to google.com, or asking "what's my isp," or trying to use Hulu or Netflix from one country to another.

    I had no idea about Tor's unique ability to access the deep web, and as I have little need for black market goods, no particular interest in it. Besides, I thought I read something to the effect that Tor was cracked by the NSA, and all the deep web people were scrambling for other options. Although, as necessity is the mother of invention, I'm sure they've found a few by now. For example, I hear that PGP is all the rage now, and even went so far as to set up a pgp protected email client, but upon discovering I had nothing interesting to send anyone I quickly grew bored with it.

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Here's a practical question, I don't care about government tracking I mean I do, but if they wanna waste time on me, that's there business, but say, you know I don't want companies to track me when visiting their sites. Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm looking at a handbag for my wife as a gift and I have to deal with catered ads for, like, ever! That deals with cookies I think, but I'd just as soon not let them know I was there at all if I'm not buying anything.
    I know it seems counter-intuitive for the suspicious minded, but turning off all third party cookies, and deactivating the Google option to track browsing for advertising, believe it or not, actually means no spam for me. I never see catered ads. And then there's Ghostery, but I'm fuzzy on what's that's really doing for me. Otherwise, you might want to consider getting a disposable email address specifically for visiting business sites you know you won't be needing on a regular basis (like me and Amazon, for example).

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I would think there would be numerous ways to know if your vpn is doing anything, such as as what country's browser you come up with or when you go to google.com, or asking "what's my isp," or trying to use Hulu or Netflix from one country to another.

    I had no idea about Tor's unique ability to access the deep web, and as I have little need for black market goods, no particular interest in it. Besides, I thought I read something to the effect that Tor was cracked by the NSA, and all the deep web people were scrambling for other options. Although, as necessity is the mother of invention, I'm sure they've found a few by now. For example, I hear that PGP is all the rage now, and even went so far as to set up a pgp protected email client, but upon discovering I had nothing interesting to send anyone I quickly grew bored with it.
    Yes, exactly, which is what I said here, only for a different example.
    Honestly, as a common plebe, like myself, the best thing you can use a VPN for is to change your IP to another country. Like, for australians, use VPN when you log into steam and seem american so you pay american dollars at american rates for games. But your entire life, you'll have to be an american by VPN to access steam or the charade is done for.
    Well, you can't crack TOR as in... inflitrate it because it's not one server. It's like, thousands of servers making their own network. You need to crack each individual server which is quite hard because they're not all protected under the same key. So, if I wanted to set up a server to host some illegal websites, I could do it by connecting it to the TOR network. I set up my own defense and firewalls and what naught on my server to protect it against being hacked and then I sell space on the server for whomever wants it. And some guy comes and makes a website for politics for the deep web and pays me 20$ a month for giving him a place to host his ****. So, it's not like you can crack TOR that easily. It's quite impossible. It's like cracking every server that hosts something for the interent, only on a smaller scale... but equally as difficult.

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Well, the technology was funded by the state department. But since then, like all technology, it grew and grew and became whatever it is now.

    So yeah, don't use TOR. I know that a lot of people are concerned for their privacy, but rest assured, you never had it on the internet. There is no such thing. It is a lie. It's just superficial privacy, as in, I can make an account named rainman and post on DP. That's not security or privacy, it's some annonimity but it's superficial. As you, chez, you don't know what my real name is. that's it. the ISP knows who the **** I am.
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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Yes, exactly, which is what I said here, only for a different example.


    Well, you can't crack TOR as in... inflitrate it because it's not one server. It's like, thousands of servers making their own network. You need to crack each individual server which is quite hard because they're not all protected under the same key. So, if I wanted to set up a server to host some illegal websites, I could do it by connecting it to the TOR network. I set up my own defense and firewalls and what naught on my server to protect it against being hacked and then I sell space on the server for whomever wants it. And some guy comes and makes a website for politics for the deep web and pays me 20$ a month for giving him a place to host his ****. So, it's not like you can crack TOR that easily. It's quite impossible. It's like cracking every server that hosts something for the interent, only on a smaller scale... but equally as difficult.
    Huh, interesting. I wish I could remember which forum I visited where I read a conversation about Tor being unreliable for secrecy so I could reproduce the context. Oh well.

    I was aware of the methods you discussed in knowing whether your vpn was working, so I was confused when you also wrote "You don't know, in truth, if a VPN is working or not. To you, it won't seem any different than using chrome incognito, as the end user. You don't see if it is working or not."

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Here's a practical question, I don't care about government tracking I mean I do, but if they wanna waste time on me, that's there business, but say, you know I don't want companies to track me when visiting their sites. Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm looking at a handbag for my wife as a gift and I have to deal with catered ads for, like, ever! That deals with cookies I think, but I'd just as soon not let them know I was there at all if I'm not buying anything.
    Ok, so that is a way, yes... you delete the cookies and then you're safe as it were. Nobody can target you for specific ads but that's an exercise in futility because a month from you, because you looked at stuff and websites and they gave you some cookies and then when you went back, they knew what you searched for and stuff.

    But that's just a defense for the smaller companies or rather, the small-to-medium companies. Or airlines. So I know that airlines are quite ****ty because they leave cookies and they'll increase the cost of an airline ticket if you keep going back to them. So say you want to fly from London to Paris, and you wanted to take Wizzair, if you, over the course of a week, logged in 10 times to check prices, at first it'll be 20$ then at the end of the week, well, 24$. Not because there are less seats or whatever, but because they saw that you're interested in that flight and decided that if you see the price will go up, you'll freak out and buy now.

    But that's like, for small companies or small-to-medium companies or for companies who just haven't figured it out yet.

    The new method is how facebook monetizes itself or how any data holder can make a ton of money, and that's with those logs I told you about. The same way the NSA can track you. Well, that's one.

    One way is the facebook way, where they sell everything you are as a virtual person to a company. So you're a woman who is interested in beauty products, Facebook will sell your information to Mabelline or whatever... who will then send you an email saying "look at our promotional offers" or maybe it'll buy from google an add to be on the right side of your video on youtube for beauty products and whenever your IP goes to youtube to watch something, anything, you'll see an square box with Mabelline.

    The second way is the way your ISP can sell you out, or how google can sell you out. But lets say your ISP and that's using those logs. Oh, over the last month you logged into javascript tutorial courses? well, lets sell your information to some online university which will send you an email saying "wanna learn javascript?, take our course!".

    There is no defense against that except you know... if you wanna use VPN (one that works) but if not, then TOR, but you're aiding scoundrels... so it's catch 22. You know... I don't know how to make yourself impervious to the new add targetting method. Develop self-restraint, I don't know.

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Huh, interesting. I wish I could remember which forum I visited where I read a conversation about Tor being unreliable for secrecy so I could reproduce the context. Oh well.

    I was aware of the methods you discussed in knowing whether your vpn was working, so I was confused when you also wrote "You don't know, in truth, if a VPN is working or not. To you, it won't seem any different than using chrome incognito, as the end user. You don't see if it is working or not."
    Well yeah ,but again, it's unreliable. So a VPN will make you an american online for 30min or whatever, but then you're a belgian... i mean it depends.

    VPNs are ok, I guess, good ones are ok, great ones are good... but I don't bother. I mean, even if you were to watch porn online, go chrome incognito so that your autofill script doen't autofill embarassing stuff, and that's that. I mean, I don't know. to each his own. I work in this field, you know, php, javscript, html, web apps and ****... and I don't know of one convenient defense that won't screw me one way or the other.

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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Ok, so that is a way, yes... you delete the cookies and then you're safe as it were. Nobody can target you for specific ads but that's an exercise in futility because a month from you, because you looked at stuff and websites and they gave you some cookies and then when you went back, they knew what you searched for and stuff.

    But that's just a defense for the smaller companies or rather, the small-to-medium companies. Or airlines. So I know that airlines are quite ****ty because they leave cookies and they'll increase the cost of an airline ticket if you keep going back to them. So say you want to fly from London to Paris, and you wanted to take Wizzair, if you, over the course of a week, logged in 10 times to check prices, at first it'll be 20$ then at the end of the week, well, 24$. Not because there are less seats or whatever, but because they saw that you're interested in that flight and decided that if you see the price will go up, you'll freak out and buy now.

    But that's like, for small companies or small-to-medium companies or for companies who just haven't figured it out yet.

    The new method is how facebook monetizes itself or how any data holder can make a ton of money, and that's with those logs I told you about. The same way the NSA can track you. Well, that's one.

    One way is the facebook way, where they sell everything you are as a virtual person to a company. So you're a woman who is interested in beauty products, Facebook will sell your information to Mabelline or whatever... who will then send you an email saying "look at our promotional offers" or maybe it'll buy from google an add to be on the right side of your video on youtube for beauty products and whenever your IP goes to youtube to watch something, anything, you'll see an square box with Mabelline.

    The second way is the way your ISP can sell you out, or how google can sell you out. But lets say your ISP and that's using those logs. Oh, over the last month you logged into javascript tutorial courses? well, lets sell your information to some online university which will send you an email saying "wanna learn javascript?, take our course!".

    There is no defense against that except you know... if you wanna use VPN (one that works) but if not, then TOR, but you're aiding scoundrels... so it's catch 22. You know... I don't know how to make yourself impervious to the new add targetting method. Develop self-restraint, I don't know.

    so a vpn would do the trick as an alternative to tor is what you're saying? I was using the ads thing as an example, I mean I want that to stop, but I don't read every TOS for every app, site, yada yada so I was just looking for a way to click agree and thumb my nose at them from behind a locked door...

    (to reenforce your comment Travelocity does that crap all the time, Mon 800 a person Fri 875 sneaky bastards,,)
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    Re: Tor: Good or Bad? Safe or Dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Well yeah ,but again, it's unreliable. So a VPN will make you an american online for 30min or whatever, but then you're a belgian... i mean it depends.

    VPNs are ok, I guess, good ones are ok, great ones are good... but I don't bother. I mean, even if you were to watch porn online, go chrome incognito so that your autofill script doen't autofill embarassing stuff, and that's that. I mean, I don't know. to each his own. I work in this field, you know, php, javscript, html, web apps and ****... and I don't know of one convenient defense that won't screw me one way or the other.
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