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    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    Steadfast. It's right in their backyard, for God's sake. Would anyone want to go toe to toe with the Russian military over this? You'd have to be crazy.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    My position is that it is none of our business and we should stay the **** out of it.It will not change regardless if the Ukrainians do or do not take up arms. No Ukrainian or Russian is worth American lives and tax dollars.
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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    Why the heck should America get involved?

    Support an illegal government that came to power through a coup against Russia in battle?

    How on Earth could this possibly in ANY remote way benefit the United States?

    The question is rhetorical as the answer is ridiculously obvious...it wouldn't.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    I don't think anyone is ready for more military conflict. It seems Ukraine is on it's own for now.

    However, as was proven effective in the past, the West should seek to curtail the blind ambitions of Putin through economic means. Such an effort ended the USSR, and a much weaker and less viable Russia would be an even easier target.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Why the heck should America get involved?

    Support an illegal government that came to power through a coup against Russia in battle?

    How on Earth could this possibly in ANY remote way benefit the United States?

    The question is rhetorical as the answer is ridiculously obvious...it wouldn't.



    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Steadfast. It's right in their backyard, for God's sake. Would anyone want to go toe to toe with the Russian military over this? You'd have to be crazy.
    Nobody will go toe to toe iwth the Russians because there will be no war. Nobody will declare war.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation...

    If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight, and it became a literal battle between the Ukrainians and the Russians, how would that affect your opinion regarding military involvement (by the US)?

    Would you be willing to reconsider, or would you remain steadfast?
    Ukraine won't declare war.

    This is an absurd topic.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    I would want us to pour shoulderable surface to air missiles, anti-mechanization missiles and rockets, a short number of high altitude surface to air portable missiles, a steady flow of fuel, food and munitions, night vision equipment and piles of 50 caliber sniper rifles.

    I would also put USA troops in bordering countries to limit the Russian military advancing beyond the Ukraine, plus provide all intelligence and logistical support and hospital services, and would supply civilian refugee camps in the bordering country so the Ukraine military would not be saddled with having to defend their families.

    My goal would make this fight as costing to Russia as possible. But I would not put USA troops up directly against Russian troops. If Russia were to come across the border at USA troops, then it would be Russia going to war against the USA.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Nobody will go toe to toe iwth the Russians because there will be no war. Nobody will declare war.

    Ukraine won't declare war.

    This is an absurd topic.
    "Declaring" war is so early 20th century. Do try to keep up with the times.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post





    Nobody will go toe to toe iwth the Russians because there will be no war. Nobody will declare war.



    Ukraine won't declare war.

    This is an absurd topic.
    You don't have to play the what-if game if you don't want to.

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    Re: If the Ukrainians were to take up arms and fight...

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I would want us to pour shoulderable surface to air missiles, anti-mechanization missiles and rockets, a short number of high altitude surface to air portable missiles, a steady flow of fuel, food and munitions, night vision equipment and piles of 50 caliber sniper rifles.

    I would also put USA troops in bordering countries to limit the Russian military advancing beyond the Ukraine, plus provide all intelligence and logistical support and hospital services, and would supply civilian refugee camps in the bordering country so the Ukraine military would not be saddled with having to defend their families.

    My goal would make this fight as costing to Russia as possible. But I would not put USA troops up directly against Russian troops. If Russia were to come across the border at USA troops, then it would be Russia going to war against the USA.
    If we're willing to do that, why not put US troops in (what remains of) Ukraine right now?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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