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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    And you take Feinstein's vague comments as proof of something. Well, your burden of proof drops dramatically when it's something you want to be true.

    Why are you so desperate to believe the US government is a CT organization?
    I am not employed by the Federal Gov't, so I don't have to bloviate to justify myself. CT suggests theory, but Libya, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, and Haiti are disquieting facts. They represent active insurrection by the US gov't in foreign affairs for the benefit of USA CORPORATIONS overseas. No wholesome idealism. CORPORATISM! This is what the NWO , New World Order, is about.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This is what the NWO , New World Order, is about.
    That's not true. The NWO is about peace, diversity and prosperity.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's not true. The NWO is about peace, diversity and prosperity.
    The NWO is about CORPORATIONS ruling the World.. Big Business. Why do you think we gave the US Treasury to the "Too big to fail" Reserve banks. Was that so we could make jobs at a local level to save the average taxpayer? And, of course the Banks created those jobs. Wrong! More and more fiat paper to back fiat paper and get control of all the natural resources and production facilities before the crap hits the fan, eh? Create an octopus of Reserve Banks, indebt everyone, and control from the TOP, the CORPORATE top, that is. Are there any Reserve Bank shenanigans ongoing in Ukraine. Just watch the birdie. Currency devaluation. Big energy cost increases. Cut state jobs. Cut pensions. Pay interest on Reserve Bank debt. Borrow IMF money to pay Reserve Banks. Pay $3 billion to catch up on gas payments. Oh wait, it's business as usual. Yes, I know that.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The NWO is about CORPORATIONS ruling the World.. Big Business.
    I know just as much about the NWO as anyone, and you're wrong. It's about charity, trust and development.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I know just as much about the NWO as anyone, and you're wrong. It's about charity, trust and development.
    "At the center of oligarchy is the idea that certain families are born to rule as an arbitrary elite, while the vast majority of any given population is condemned to oppression, serfdom, or slavery. Oligarchs identify wealth purely in money terms, and practice usury, monetarism, and looting. The oligarchy has believed for millennia that the Earth is overpopulated.
    The essence of oligarchism is summed up in the idea of the empire, in which an elite identifying itself as a master race rules over a degraded mass of slaves or other oppressed victims. If oligarchical methods are allowed to dominate human affairs, they always create a breakdown crisis of civilization, with economic depression, war, famine, plague, and pestilence. A pillar of the oligarchical system is the family fortune. The continuity of the family fortune which earns money through usury and looting is often more important than the biological continuity across generations of the family that owns the fortune."

    "The Venetian Black Nobility and the Concept of Oligarchy" an article by Dr. Webster Griffin Tarpley & James Higham"
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    ""During the past two centuries when the peoples of the world were gradually winning their political freedom from the dynastic monarchies, the major banking families of Europe and America were actually reversing the trend by setting up new dynasties of political control through the formation of international financial combines. These banking dynasties had learned that all governments must have sources of revenue from which to borrow in times of emergency. They had also learned that by providing such funds from their own private resources, they could make both kings and democratic leaders tremendously subservient to their will."
    Carroll Quigley in his book "Tragedy and Hope"

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    ""The substantive financial powers of the world were in the hands of investment bankers (also called "international" or "merchant" bankers) who remained largely behind the scenes in their own unincorporated private banks. These formed a system of international cooperation and national dominance which was more private, more powerful, and more secret than that of their agents in the central banks. This dominance of investment bankers was based on their control over the flows of credit and investment funds in their own countries and throughout the world. They could dominate the financial and industrial systems of their own countries by their influence over the flow of current funds through bank loans, the discount rate, and the re-discounting of commercial debts; they could dominate governments by their control over current government loans and the play of the international exchanges. Almost all of this power was exercised by the personal influence and prestige of men who had demonstrated their ability in the past to bring off successful financial coupes to keep their word, to remain cool in a crisis, and to share their winning opportunities with their associates. In this system the Rothschilds had been preeminent during much of the nineteenth century, but, at the end of that century, they were being replaced by J. P. Morgan whose central office was in New York, although it was always operated as if it were in London."
    Carroll Quigley, in his book "Tragedy and Hope"

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
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    Damn it, Dave, all that propaganda doesn't prove anything. The NWO, as orchestrated in some part by the Illuminati, is a force for good. It spreads equality and justice. You're fighting on the dark side, come over to the light.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Should torture be illegal?
    I don't think so.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Damn it, Dave, all that propaganda doesn't prove anything. The NWO, as orchestrated in some part by the Illuminati, is a force for good. It spreads equality and justice. You're fighting on the dark side, come over to the light.
    You operate under the assumption that if we give lots more money to the already rich and powerful, they will do good things for us. HEHEHEHEHE! The USA just gave the "Too big to fail" Reserve Banks, both foreign and domestic, Trillions of dollars and the results? Jobs? Boom economy? Less poverty? Is it really working?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We should all be possed at the CIA. They have dishonored us, as a Nation, repeatedly. Torture, torture and torture. Lies, lies, and more lies. Coverups, obfuscation, and co-ordinated destruction of our Congressional regulatory processes. Geez, Louise (Chuck Butler) gimme a break.
    Frankly, if they have their hands on a terrorist, how they obtain information from him is not my primary concern. My concern is that they get information from him. And anybody who thinks torture doesn't work is living in a fantasy land.
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Frankly, if they have their hands on a terrorist, how they obtain information from him is not my primary concern. My concern is that they get information from him. And anybody who thinks torture doesn't work is living in a fantasy land.
    Frankly, if they have their hands on a terrorist,

    The bold is the exact nature of the problem. Hundreds of people renditioned and waterboarded and only a handful that were actually terrorists. The biggest word "bolded" is IF...

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