View Poll Results: Is the CIA patriotic and trustworthy?

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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The USA has not been invaded. The CIA has done a good job.
    Actually we were invaded on 911....and the CIA all got raises.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Actually we were invaded on 911....and the CIA all got raises.
    For a job well done!

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    For a job well done!
    It sure seemed that way. I thought heads should roll.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It sure seemed that way.
    It sure did!

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The USA has not been invaded. The CIA has done a good job.



    What happened on September11, 2001?

    The CIA has done some good jobs and it has done some very bad jobs.

    It has done some things that it shouldn't have done and it hasn't done some things that it should have done.

    Someone should have been held to account for some of the CIA's monumental failures and I don't recall that ever happening.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 03-29-14 at 02:46 PM.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Signatories to the Geneva Conventions don't torture. We broke our trust and promoted the evil known as torture. Also Rendition (Kidnapping)
    , black sites, etc. Simply speaking "Our word is not Our bond."
    It is easy to sign on to something before the **** hits the fan.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    The CIA is patriotic and trustworthy to a degree. Where that ends and...something else begins....I do not know.

    I wouldn't trust them though.
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It sure did!
    Here's a little link on CIA effectiveness of torture.

    Senate torture report examines hunt for bin Laden

    "Feinstein and other senators have spoken only vaguely of the contents of the classified review.

    But they have made references to the divergence between their understanding of how the bin Laden operation came together and assertions of former CIA and Bush administration officials who have defended harsh interrogations.

    Responding to former CIA deputy director Jose Rodriguez's argument that Mohammed and al-Libi provided the "lead information" on the bin Laden operation, Feinstein and Levin said, "The original lead information had no connection to CIA detainees."

    They rejected former CIA Director Michael Hayden's claim that evidence on the couriers began with interrogations at black sites and Attorney General Michael Mukasey's declaration that intelligence leading to bin Laden began with Mohammed.

    The facts, they said, show that the CIA learned of the courier, his true name and location "through means unrelated to the CIA detention and interrogation program." They have cited a "wide variety of intelligence sources and methods."

    Terror suspects who were waterboarded "provided no new information about the courier" and offered no indication of where bin Laden was hiding, the senators said.

    Feinstein will push to release a summary of the intelligence committee's review later this week, starting a declassification process that could take several months before any documents are made public."

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "Feinstein and other senators have spoken only vaguely of the contents of the classified review.

    But they have made references to the divergence between their understanding of how the bin Laden operation came together and assertions of former CIA and Bush administration officials who have defended harsh interrogations.
    And you take Feinstein's vague comments as proof of something. Well, your burden of proof drops dramatically when it's something you want to be true.

    Why are you so desperate to believe the US government is a CT organization?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What happened on September11, 2001?

    The CIA has done some good jobs and it has done some very bad jobs.

    It has done some things that it shouldn't have done and it hasn't done some things that it should have done.

    Someone should have been held to account for some of the CIA's monumental failures and I don't recall that ever happening.
    911 was NOT an invasion.

    It was, like what the US has been doing, an attack. No troops came to US shores and started killing civilians.

    Your wonderful and loyal CIA completely failed to see that coming, even though it was the SECOND TIME THE SAME PEOPLE attacked. The same CIA that got ARab spring completely wrong and failed to even see the fall of the Berlin Wall....

    So, go ahead, let them continue to torture and wreak havoc around the globe, getting it right of course, like they did in Ukraine.
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