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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You are the one supporting torture.
    I don't know if he is or not, but if he is, so what?

    Torture has been a common element to warfare since man started fighting each other. Sure, it is an unpleasant thought and a worse reality, but what part of war IS pleasant? Every aspect of War I am aware of is ugly and brutish. Why? Because War is an abomination. However, I do recognize the need for War. War, is as many say, the last resort. They say that because of how horrible it is but also with the recognition that at some point, people have to engage in hostilities with one another for some reason. And what happens when men engage other men in battle? One side tries to win and men die. And when it is a kill-or-be-killed situation, which it is in War, then it is better to be judged by twelve than be carried by six. And it's that way because loss or failure could result with the annihilation of your people and most certainly your life. So, men engaged in warfare with other men, in the interest of self-preservatoin and your people winning the war, the employment of certain methods can gain information vital to their cause and detrimental to their enemies. What generally happens when one side receives intelligence vital to their effort is lives are saved and an advantage over the enemy is gained which could result in the loss or failure of said enemy. So while torture is despicable, it is a necessary tactic men use to win battles and stay alive.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You are the one supporting torture.
    Ticking time bomb, known terrorists at the top of the organization that attacked the US, verifiable info - not confessions. Yes, I support that.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The children do know better, it is apparent that adults on this board that support torture are the problem.
    Your praises of the USSR and Russia means no one on this forum more supports torture and on an industrial scale than you.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Bullcrap! They've protected us from Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, Haiti, Granada, Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela. Right. Hot damn, but the perceived threat must be awesome. All that killing and all those drugs. Invasion and media generated hypothethical threats are made to generate business for the Military Offens Industry. Corporate welfare at its' finest.
    So you ask for opinions and become obstinate when somebody has a different one?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I don't know if he is or not, but if he is, so what?

    Torture has been a common element to warfare since man started fighting each other. Sure, it is an unpleasant thought and a worse reality, but what part of war IS pleasant? Every aspect of War I am aware of is ugly and brutish. Why? Because War is an abomination. However, I do recognize the need for War. War, is as many say, the last resort. They say that because of how horrible it is but also with the recognition that at some point, people have to engage in hostilities with one another for some reason. And what happens when men engage other men in battle? One side tries to win and men die. And when it is a kill-or-be-killed situation, which it is in War, then it is better to be judged by twelve than be carried by six. And it's that way because loss or failure could result with the annihilation of your people and most certainly your life. So, men engaged in warfare with other men, in the interest of self-preservatoin and your people winning the war, the employment of certain methods can gain information vital to their cause and detrimental to their enemies. What generally happens when one side receives intelligence vital to their effort is lives are saved and an advantage over the enemy is gained which could result in the loss or failure of said enemy. So while torture is despicable, it is a necessary tactic men use to win battles and stay alive.
    Signatories to the Geneva Conventions don't torture. We broke our trust and promoted the evil known as torture. Also Rendition (Kidnapping)
    , black sites, etc. Simply speaking "Our word is not Our bond."

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ticking time bomb, known terrorists at the top of the organization that attacked the US, verifiable info - not confessions. Yes, I support that.

    That sounds just ducky. Then there would be absolutely no reason not to release the 6300 pages of Congressional info. It is because they did not limit the torture to the individuals that you have identified or suggested. Thay seem to have an accuracy of about 1 in 100 at identifying teerrorists and cannot document saving even one life with torture.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your praises of the USSR and Russia means no one on this forum more supports torture and on an industrial scale than you.
    If one knows nothing when they go to bed, thet know nothing when they awaken. Where are you links. You have once again implied that filaments of your imagination are grounded in facts and reality. Links please.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    So you ask for opinions and become obstinate when somebody has a different one?

    Note to self never talk to you again.
    Absolutely! Torture is wrong and illegal. Hiding the truth from the American citizens is wrong and should be illegal. If you support torture and deception, that is certatinly your right, but I will verbally abuse that position.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That sounds just ducky.
    I don't care what some CTer thinks it sounds like. What do I look like, an idiot?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    You're so odd, Dave.
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
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