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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Love it or leave it?

    What specifically can you name that has been soooo successful at keeping America "safe"? How they predicted and prevented the SECOND world trade center bombing by the same guy, different weapons?

    Or is it the grand job they did in regime change in Ukraine? Libya? Arab spring?

    anything they got right would help.....
    There have been numerous prosecutions of terrorism plots that were prevented or failed. The government works very closely with industry and follows leads generally provided by industry. This includes certain types of inquiring emails and product purchases (particularly chemicals). There are steps taken for questionable sales to provide some level of safeguards.

    For example, it was publicized of a person who detonated a 2 part liquid chemical explosive on an airliner (US) that only chemically flashed and did not explode - burning the terrorist and starting a small fire. The passengers jumped the terrorist and the fire put out. It was not inadvertent one of the chemicals was of a lower concentration level than he thought he had bought. A plot to use chemical bombs to blow up a subway station was adverted and the 4 involved arrested and prosecuted - all originating with a suspicious email inquiring of one of the two necessary chemicals - and then following emails, reaching into computers and tracking cell phones documented the plot and learning those involved.

    Compared to much of the world, the USA has extremely low incidents of terrorism by explosives. However, it is actually the Dept. of Homeland Security and somewhat FBI that more undertakes such surveillance and investigations, though may use CIA resources.

    I do not buy the mantra spouted as fact that the CIA caused the problems in the Ukraine. I believe it was Russia that stirred it up. If we wanted the Ukraine we'd have troops there now. We don't. Russia does.

    It is clear that regime change was Obama's thing as was the Arab Spring. Agencies of the government follow directives of the president and basically are his employees and staff.

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    To correct a detail, the subway plot was to blow up a London subway. However, they were seeking information via the Internet from the USA on how to refine a certain chemical. The investigation was a joint effort between the UK and USA and 4 were convicted in the UK.

    The government ceased releasing stories of such events as it invites copycats and gives away how to avoid getting caught and/or how to avoid failing if not. My wife's business sold chemicals and was very much involved in such matters. Chemical distributors work very closely with the government. There are many baiting websites that such companies maintain and, so far, the system has worked. My wife's business sold probably THE most popular of 1 of 2 components most easily used and sold at the consumer level (small quantities). Easily refined and combined with something else you can buy in pure form on Ebay? It is exactly 1/3rd the power of nitroglycerine. Very powerful. Simplistic. Mix the 2, shake it and boom.

    But (oh the horror!) if one of the plotters had been communicating with you by email or going to a blog you have, they would have read your computer if you go online, checked out your emails and checked who you were having phone communications with.

    Free-movement societies and where the people are not desperately poor (meaning enough money to buy components) are very vulnerable and there are a lot of crazy people out there - religious zealots, psychotic, militia types or otherwise very dangerous people who for one reason or another decide to kill a bunch of people. So far, that has been limited to using guns - which are limited in killing ability compared to chemicals and explosives. It is very challenging to prevent that from happening. Just a few ounces of certain chemicals combined would down any airliner and a gallon or two would take out just about any building.

    People assume that because nothing happened then no one tried.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think your ongoing praise in your messages of Russia confirms for me that your view is just racist Stormfront promotions - for which your messages read like some crazed militia member hording firearms and storing up food for the coming racial war you'd like to see in the USA.

    You say Russia is the good guy because Putin announced he is going to relocation 100,000 original Tartar Muslims - and you cheer the current and past relocation and murders of non-whites by white Russians. Very despicable.

    Please provide what must be easily verifiable and credible links to substantiate what you have stated. Otherwise, it is same as diarrhea.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're just indicting a population based on a few criminals. That's common garbage. Even children should know better.
    The children do know better, it is apparent that adults on this board that support torture are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Please provide what must be easily verifiable and credible links to substantiate what you have stated. Otherwise, it is same as diarrhea.
    Its already been on the forum many times of Putin declaring he was going to relocate Tartar Muslims, calling the "squatters."

    For everyone to understand what praises of Russia compared to your cursing the USA is to contrast West Berlin - the American sector - to East Berlin - Russian - and West Germany to East Germany.

    Your angry white man militia messages raging about how the government is out to get you and everyone is an example of how dangerous and phobic that people can become when they fixate on paranoia.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There have been numerous prosecutions of terrorism plots that were prevented or failed. The government works very closely with industry and follows leads generally provided by industry. This includes certain types of inquiring emails and product purchases (particularly chemicals). There are steps taken for questionable sales to provide some level of safeguards.

    For example, it was publicized of a person who detonated a 2 part liquid chemical explosive on an airliner (US) that only chemically flashed and did not explode - burning the terrorist and starting a small fire. The passengers jumped the terrorist and the fire put out. It was not inadvertent one of the chemicals was of a lower concentration level than he thought he had bought. A plot to use chemical bombs to blow up a subway station was adverted and the 4 involved arrested and prosecuted - all originating with a suspicious email inquiring of one of the two necessary chemicals - and then following emails, reaching into computers and tracking cell phones documented the plot and learning those involved.

    Compared to much of the world, the USA has extremely low incidents of terrorism by explosives. However, it is actually the Dept. of Homeland Security and somewhat FBI that more undertakes such surveillance and investigations, though may use CIA resources.

    I do not buy the mantra spouted as fact that the CIA caused the problems in the Ukraine. I believe it was Russia that stirred it up. If we wanted the Ukraine we'd have troops there now. We don't. Russia does.

    It is clear that regime change was Obama's thing as was the Arab Spring. Agencies of the government follow directives of the president and basically are his employees and staff.
    Another overdose of opinions without links or substantiation pooled up and reflecting in the septic system.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Its already been on the forum many times of Putin declaring he was going to relocate Tartar Muslims, calling the "squatters."

    For everyone to understand what praises of Russia compared to your cursing the USA is to contrast West Berlin - the American sector - to East Berlin - Russian - and West Germany to East Germany.

    Your angry white man militia messages raging about how the government is out to get you and everyone is an example of how dangerous and phobic that people can become when they fixate on paranoia.
    Not to worry. The CORPORATE NWO will take note of your lack of ability to post links or any verifiable background of your OPINIONS caused by blind patriotism and that is "MY Country, right or wrong." Wrong side of history and morality.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The children do know better, it is apparent that adults on this board that support torture are the problem.
    Keep indicting populations based on the act of a few criminals. That way, I don't have to ever worry about debating you - you defeat yourself.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Keep indicting populations based on the act of a few criminals. That way, I don't have to ever worry about debating you - you defeat yourself.
    You are the one supporting torture.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I like how we have one guy claiming that the CIA knows and runs everything, and another claiming that the CIA can't tell its ass from a hand grenade.

    Classic.
    Politicians typically make the same distinctions: when we haven't been attacked the intelligence community is praised to the moon but when we've been attacked, the knives come out. But it's like that in more departments than just defense. It is a very all-or-nothing profession.

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