View Poll Results: Is the CIA patriotic and trustworthy?

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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The USA has and does profit handsomely from war. It's business as usual for CORPORATE USA. If you are a rascist and a warmonger, that is certainly your prerogative. Have at it. No thinking required! Russia is the good guy in this matter. The USA/CIA created the instability in Ukraine that forced Russia to take care of her people, and she did without killing over 100 people like the Maidan Opposition did.
    I think your ongoing praise in your messages of Russia confirms for me that your view is just racist Stormfront promotions - for which your messages read like some crazed militia member hording firearms and storing up food for the coming racial war you'd like to see in the USA.

    You say Russia is the good guy because Putin announced he is going to relocation 100,000 original Tartar Muslims - and you cheer the current and past relocation and murders of non-whites by white Russians. Very despicable.
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    They were doing CIA policy and their CIC, GWBUSH (the first torturer), didn't have the cojones to take the blame by standing up for his torturers. 6300 pages stuck in Congress tell teh story.

    You're just indicting a population based on a few criminals. That's common garbage. Even children should know better.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're just indicting a population based on a few criminals. That's common garbage. Even children should know better.
    He prefers Russian torture and killing little children - provided they aren't white children. His messages increasingly are just angry radical militia group talk. His messages are so extreme, so radically and rabidly anti-American beyond rational discussion and so extremely pro-Soviet Russia maybe the CIA is watching him and maybe should be.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    He prefers Russian torture and killing little children - provided they aren't white children. His messages increasingly are just angry radical militia group talk. His messages are so extreme, so radically and rabidly anti-American beyond rational discussion and so extremely pro-Soviet Russia maybe the CIA is watching him and maybe should be.
    Some people take the Unabomber's manifesto a bit too seriously.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Though the C.I.A. has a colorful and (extremely) controversial history, they nevertheless serve as a vitally important piece of U.S. national security. Patriotism is a given because they've signed up to safeguard America and her interests. Are they trustworthy? Is *any* clandestine intelligence agency/unit a beacon of unmitigated truth? Hardly, but that comes with the territory and the job.

    Keep in mind: the Director of the C.I.A. is chosen by the President. That's important to remember when the C.I.A. is caught misbehaving. The Director of the C.I.A. gives marching orders and his subordinates march. The same applies between the President (or Chief of Staff/National Security Adviser who can speak for the President) and the C.I.A. Director.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    99% of what the CIA does is simply gather information about what is happening around the world from ordinary sources like other countries newspapers, radio and television. If it did not do so, the government would have little idea what is happening in other countries.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The USA has not been invaded. The CIA has done a good job.

    That's the standard?

    You can do anything at all as long as the US is not invaded?

    OK, so torture and killing infants is excused in the name of national security and protecting the "American way of life"...

    tell me what's worth preserving in a middle ages culture?

    The love of an agency that did not see the Berlin wall coming down, got it wrong in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and completely misread the Arab Spring....yeah, trust those guys to protect your ass...


    Sure..now that's what historians will call an "advanced civilization"

    and now you can reply with the justification that "everyone's doing it" and 911 and the rest of the "justifications"....
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Bullcrap! They've protected us from Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, Haiti, Granada, Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela. Right. Hot damn, but the perceived threat must be awesome. All that killing and all those drugs. Invasion and media generated hypothethical threats are made to generate business for the Military Offens Industry. Corporate welfare at its' finest.
    Don't forget that the CIA is primarily responsible for keeping America safe from Canadian back bacon and maple syrup, why else would they be bugging our phones?
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You certainly could relocate to another country if you think one is better. I think all in all the CIA has done a damn good job keeping Americans safe. I'm not sure where in it's policy manual its purpose is to keep other people safe. Can you quote that section?
    Love it or leave it?

    What specifically can you name that has been soooo successful at keeping America "safe"? How they predicted and prevented the SECOND world trade center bombing by the same guy, different weapons?

    Or is it the grand job they did in regime change in Ukraine? Libya? Arab spring?

    anything they got right would help.....
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    I like how we have one guy claiming that the CIA knows and runs everything, and another claiming that the CIA can't tell its ass from a hand grenade.

    Classic.

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