View Poll Results: Is the CIA patriotic and trustworthy?

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  • YES

    10 27.03%
  • NO

    13 35.14%
  • Patriotic, not trustworthy

    11 29.73%
  • Trustworthy, not patriotic

    0 0%
  • Torture is illegal and they're hiding everything

    6 16.22%
  • Like Cops, they protect their own

    10 27.03%
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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    They should have been disbanded decades ago. After what they did in the 60s, 70s and 80s we just have to burn the name. We need an INTELLIGENCE agency, but they should be forever barred from action. Their job should be strictly limited to intel. Action belongs to the military special forces.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
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    IF "Torture is illegal and they hide everything" Then they are NOT Trustworthy. "NO"
    WTF is the problem?
    If someone feels they are "Not" trustworthy on balance, then their opinions get so Fragmented numerically, one Cannot discern the OVERALL sentiment. Polls are Numeric queries.
    You made a duplicative Laundry List mostly for "NO".

    additionally, "They protect their own" is tangential/nearly irrelevant to the issue.
    They could be "trustworthy" on balance and still 'protect their own'.

    You could add 10 more options/proxies for/Examples OF - YES and NO - so that no answer got more that 5 people choosing it.
    It's a Meaningless mind-splatter and Defeats the purpose OF a poll.
    Multiple choice poll and you are allowed to select all or none that apply in your mindset.. Balance, don't ya' know?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The USA has not been invaded. The CIA has done a good job.



    The CIA has done some good stuff and some very bad stuff.

    It deserves a pat on the back for the good stuff and a kick in the butt for the very bad stuff.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    The CIA is made up of patriotic individuals who regularly risk their lives in crappy sections of the world, away from their families for years at a time, in order to make others safer.

    No power, however, is trustworthy.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The CIA is made up of patriotic individuals who regularly risk their lives in crappy sections of the world, away from their families for years at a time, in order to make others safer.

    No power, however, is trustworthy.
    If the CIA has 200,000 employees and only 10,000 in crappy sections of the World and the remaining 190,000 desk jockeying in the DC/Virginia area, then you are only speaking for a very small minority of the Agency.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If the CIA has 200,000 employees and only 10,000 in crappy sections of the World and the remaining 190,000 desk jockeying in the DC/Virginia area, then you are only speaking for a very small minority of the Agency.
    That's an interesting set of figures. Where did you get it from?

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    The more far-reaching questions in this thread aside, we should take a hardline stance on torture in this country. We do not allow it. We do not allow it to be used on our people. We do not allow it to be used by our people. Americans should not ever be responsible for or condone the use of torture, and we absolutely shouldn't try to make excuses by pretending that some forms of torture don't count.
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    I do think as a whole the CIA is patriotic but not trustworthy because they are running secret ops all around the world with little or no full supervision and with methods that are not in line with the morals and the legal principles of the USA.

    Also they are not that good at doing what they are supposed to do, through a failed policy view (the enemy of my enemy is my friend/ally) they helped, to some degree, create one of the worst enemies in the modern times (Osama Bin Laden/Al Qaida-Taliban). Supporting groups in Afghanistan to curb the Russian attempts to vanquish the enemies of the Russian supported Afghanistan government led the CIA to continue the suffering of the Afghani people and has contributed in emboldening Osama in his anti-democratic Islamic extremist actions/terrorist attacks against the Russians.

    What the CIA and other organizations like that should realize that it is too simple to think that they enemy of your enemy is your friend/ally because that is not always the truth.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    I voted no for multiple reasons. One, I don't see much of anything that the CIA has done as either patriotic or trustworthy. From funding and training Osama bin Laden to a disinformation campaign. Not really seeing that as either.
    Two, kept us mighty safe from all the attacks even in this century that obviously were just totally fake right?
    Three, in what way is torture and other amazing illegal acts patriotic?
    Four, just read deathbed confessions of former CIA agents.

    I don't wanna sound too conspiracy theorist here but I wouldn't trust the CIA as much as I trust a banker or a politician and I don't trust them in the least bit.
    "The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool." : Stephen King

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I do think as a whole the CIA is patriotic but not trustworthy because they are running secret ops all around the world with little or no full supervision and with methods that are not in line with the morals and the legal principles of the USA.

    Also they are not that good at doing what they are supposed to do, through a failed policy view (the enemy of my enemy is my friend/ally) they helped, to some degree, create one of the worst enemies in the modern times (Osama Bin Laden/Al Qaida-Taliban). Supporting groups in Afghanistan to curb the Russian attempts to vanquish the enemies of the Russian supported Afghanistan government led the CIA to continue the suffering of the Afghani people and has contributed in emboldening Osama in his anti-democratic Islamic extremist actions/terrorist attacks against the Russians.

    What the CIA and other organizations like that should realize that it is too simple to think that they enemy of your enemy is your friend/ally because that is not always the truth.
    The CIA (and really our whole government) still work with Al Qaeda. We are currently working with them in Syria. And if we happen to put boots on the ground in 2015 (I caught wind of a plan to do this from someone in the military) we will be fighting alongside them
    "The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool." : Stephen King

    "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson

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