View Poll Results: Is the CIA patriotic and trustworthy?

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  • YES

    10 27.03%
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    13 35.14%
  • Patriotic, not trustworthy

    11 29.73%
  • Trustworthy, not patriotic

    0 0%
  • Torture is illegal and they're hiding everything

    6 16.22%
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Thread: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    If it was useless why would anyone do it?
    Because they....don't know it's useless?




    Edit: WTH are we talking about, anyway? I have no idea...
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    So you're saying it's a panacea?
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Thing is, the intelligence gathering is the lion's share of the CIA's job. It's wrong to list the CIA's failures as proof against the CIA, since in almost every case, those failures were done with the knowledge and approval of (and often under the aegis of) the Executive Branch.
    Here's a nice link to another CIA screw up, Benghazi and the rat line, and the works of Seymour Hersh.
    The Red Line and the Rat Line

    The Red Line and the Rat Line
    "The full extent of US co-operation with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar in assisting the rebel opposition in Syria has yet to come to light. The Obama administration has never publicly admitted to its role in creating what the CIA calls a ‘rat line’, a back channel highway into Syria. The rat line, authorised in early 2012, was used to funnel weapons and ammunition from Libya via southern Turkey and across the Syrian border to the opposition. Many of those in Syria who ultimately received the weapons were jihadists, some of them affiliated with al-Qaida. (The DNI spokesperson said: ‘The idea that the United States was providing weapons from Libya to anyone is false.’)

    In January, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the assault by a local militia in September 2012 on the American consulate and a nearby undercover CIA facility in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three others. The report’s criticism of the State Department for not providing adequate security at the consulate, and of the intelligence community for not alerting the US military to the presence of a CIA outpost in the area, received front-page coverage and revived animosities in Washington, with Republicans accusing Obama and Hillary Clinton of a cover-up. A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn’t always know who was really employing them, were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer. (A spokesperson for Petraeus denied the operation ever took place.)

    The operation had not been disclosed "

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    Re: The CIA’s Poisonous Tree

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    If it was useless why would anyone do it?


    Has the Torture Report given you any enlightenment since you made this absurd statement?

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