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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Then we should not have signed a treaty otherwise.

    What should stop is the pointless words about Iran to not obtaining nuclear weapons (or to any other country.) The USA is now known to be the land of liars who only make deals to scam countries into being set up for military invasion.

    We convinced Hussein in Iraq to destroy his chemical and biological weapons - and then attacked and killed Hussein after he had.

    We convinced Libya to give up its chemical and biological weapons program - and then attacked and killed the leader of that country after they had.

    We convinced the Ukraine to give up the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world - and then told Russia we will actually do nothing over any part of Ukraine that Russia wants.

    Iran should consider any USA efforts to convince Iran to not obtain nuclear weapons as the USA declaring it intends to invade Iran and kill its leadership, only wanting make certain Iran has not dirty bombs or nuclear weapons before we do.

    Pressuring a country to disarm itself is the USA actually announcing there are plans to invade the country.

    I get tired of the trillions of words from politicians that have exactly no value whatsoever. ANY words about Iran and nuclear weapons are all totally worthless and essentially lies to claim something is being done with nothing is or can be done any more.

    The future is of rapid worldwide nuclear weapons proliferation with every dictator, theocratic and military junta having their own mini nuclear arsenal. Within 50 years you'll probably be able to buy older models at garage sales.
    Pertinent words in the treaty:

    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
    The only one to break the treaty was Russia.

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Pertinent words in the treaty:



    The only one to break the treaty was Russia.
    The treaty says more than that, but does not guarantee going to war on behalf Ukraine. Ukraine got punked.

    While researching to find what the Treaty actually says, I found an article from January, this year, praising the wisdom of Ukraine giving up it's nuclear weapons. (Yeah, real smart).

    Iran will not be so foolish. Nor it likely any other country will.

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The treaty says more than that, but does not guarantee going to war on behalf Ukraine. Ukraine got punked.

    While researching to find what the Treaty actually says, I found an article from January, this year, praising the wisdom of Ukraine giving up it's nuclear weapons. (Yeah, real smart).

    Iran will not be so foolish. Nor it likely any other country will.
    While countries like Iran and North Korea aren't as likely to be invaded as Ukraine was/is, for any reason, no doubt they will use Ukraine as a reason to not give in. And I can't say I'd blame them.
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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    While countries like Iran and North Korea aren't as likely to be invaded as Ukraine was/is, for any reason, no doubt they will use Ukraine as a reason to not give in. And I can't say I'd blame them.
    North Korean is an run by a torturous, murderous totalitarian so there is nothing to be accomplished there anyway.

    Iran would have to be absolutely nuts not to obtain nuclear weapons if they can.

    I bet Argentina wished it had them in the Falklands war with the UK. My guess is the leader of Syria wishes he had half a dozen of them. It might be wise for Saudi Arabia and certainly Japan to ramp it up on nuclear weapons. I bet Yemen would spring for one if they could afford it.
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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not our job to free Cuba or anyone else. If they really want to be free, they will free themselves.
    I agree. That was a tongue in cheek comment. We don't have to act like Russia in order to put a lid on their ambitions. We have innumerable options. It's a little frustrating that we choose to portray our proposed actions as either weak, or a military confrontation. Also the idea that if it isn't done immediately, whatever it is we do, we've lost all credibility in the world and with our allies. None of that is true, although, like with all good stories, there's an element of truth in all of it. If Europe is deeply concerned, well, they should be. It's on their doorstep. They're the ones that sold themselves out to Russian energy rather than develop various sources. The only thing about Crimea that concerns me is the Russian warm water port, and they have had that port for quite a while anyway.

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    North Korean is an run by a torturous, murderous totalitarian so there is nothing to be accomplished there anyway.

    Iran would have to be absolutely nuts not to obtain nuclear weapons if they can.

    I bet Argentina wished it had them in the Falklands war with the UK. My guess is the leader of Syria wishes he had half a dozen of them. It might be wise for Saudi Arabia and certainly Japan to ramp it up on nuclear weapons. I bet Yemen would spring for one if they could afford it.
    Agreed, but when countries like us are guaranteeing things in exchange it makes it easier for them to shut us down by just saying, "Yeah? You mean like how you held up your end of the deal for Ukraine?"
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Deport all of the illegals and liberals.
    how about deport all confederates that tried to break up this country

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    how about deport all confederates that tried to break up this country
    Ah, the Putin and Stalin plan!

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    yes their is nothing we can do ,,,and if we were there the citizens would not like it

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    Re: What should Prez Obama do about Crimea?

    Poll: What should the Prez do?

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