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    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Example: Mary and her friends have been harassing Dorothy at school. Bullying, if you will. Said harassing and bullying eventually expands to walking home, and then beyond that to Facebook and the internet at all times of the day.

    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Should the school's authority to discipline stop at the school's property line?

    Should the school be responsible until the student(s) get home?

    Should the school have authority to discipline at all hours, which would essentially be anything and anywhere?

    What think you?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Example: Mary and her friends have been harassing Dorothy at school. Bullying, if you will. Said harassing and bullying eventually expands to walking home, and then beyond that to Facebook and the internet at all times of the day.

    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Should the school's authority to discipline stop at the school's property line?

    Should the school be responsible until the student(s) get home?

    Should the school have authority to discipline at all hours, which would essentially be anything and anywhere?

    What think you?
    In the current environment bullying can be a 24/7 thing with social media. The school has a responsibility to keep all children in their charge safe and free of any harassment that they are aware of happening. Since they are all students of the school the policy may define sanctions but they could also give evidence to local authorities and have them handle it. If any of the cyberbullying occurs using school network, computers or the like then the school has the right and obligation to intervene.

    Courts have ruled however schools have far reaching ability to discipline students even outside of school functions and off school property so we would have to see how the area handles such things.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Logically I'd think the school's responsibility should end when the student leaves school property - I would include school buses as school property. Even though some courts allow it I feel that school's disciplining students for behavior off premises is an overreach and an encroachment on parent's responsibilities.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    it ends at the school's property line

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    In the current environment bullying can be a 24/7 thing with social media. The school has a responsibility to keep all children in their charge safe and free of any harassment that they are aware of happening. Since they are all students of the school the policy may define sanctions but they could also give evidence to local authorities and have them handle it. If any of the cyberbullying occurs using school network, computers or the like then the school has the right and obligation to intervene.

    Courts have ruled however schools have far reaching ability to discipline students even outside of school functions and off school property so we would have to see how the area handles such things.
    Right, courts have ruled that way, but this thread asks if that is appropriate. Just because a law was passed, or a court ruling handed down, does not necessarily mean it's a good idea.

    Having said that, you make good points in the rest of your comment.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    I agree that "responsibility" is the key word rather than "authority". Essentially, if something like this escalates and something major happens - say a physical assault or suicide - at what point is the school going to be blamed for "not acting". Anywhere we expect them to have responsibility they obviously need authority.

    In practice, I think school authorities do have a level or responsibility for the actions of their students outside school, especially traveling to and from and where there is interaction between their students (such as on-line). Unlike incidents on the school grounds though, I think that is more responsibility to report to other authorities - notably parents and, in serious cases, police.

    There is also the more general responsibility (shared with all the parents) of maintaining the kind of environment that discourages bullying and seeks to cut it out as easily as possible. Ultimately though, it's never something anyone can entirely eliminate and that should be recognised, especially before schools start getting condemned when something bad happens.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    I think it would depend on quite a few things. Largely is the social media harassment having an effect on either kid or their classmates? We all know kids don't leave their social life at home. The harassment taking place outside of school is pretty likely happening at school either with the bully, other kids who read it, or both. So one can easily see how the school who is trying to combat bullying would see cyber bullying even after school hours as part of their anti bullying campaign.

    The problem I see with schools, bullying and discipline is that their current methods do not work. I'm not going to pretend I have the solution but bullying trends do not appear to be reversing.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Logically I'd think the school's responsibility should end when the student leaves school property - I would include school buses as school property. Even though some courts allow it I feel that school's disciplining students for behavior off premises is an overreach and an encroachment on parent's responsibilities.
    Exactly. I would go as far as holding both the school and the parents responsible when on school property.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    The problem with deciding where a line "should" be drawn is the fact real life has no lines. The bullying which happens over text and Facebook over the weekend is brought into the schools on Monday. This is a problem our school dealt with just this week.

    What "should" happen is parents SHOULD jerk on knot in their child's tail if their child is bullying someone when they are home. What SHOULD happen is the school should only be responsible for educating, not teaching manners and how to behave. What SHOULD happen is parents should be parents and be responsible for their child's actions.

    Unfortunately, what SHOULD happen is not what actually happens. So the school has to step in and take action when behaviors over the weekend have an effect at school. The hard part is knowing what qualifies as affecting education. At the end of the day, if the school can help prevent the abuse of one child by another child or children, then they should do what they can to protect the first child.

    At the end of the day, the school is part of the community and the community should do everything they can to protect children who need protecting.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The problem with deciding where a line "should" be drawn is the fact real life has no lines. The bullying which happens over text and Facebook over the weekend is brought into the schools on Monday. This is a problem our school dealt with just this week.

    What "should" happen is parents SHOULD jerk on knot in their child's tail if their child is bullying someone when they are home. What SHOULD happen is the school should only be responsible for educating, not teaching manners and how to behave. What SHOULD happen is parents should be parents and be responsible for their child's actions.

    Unfortunately, what SHOULD happen is not what actually happens. So the school has to step in and take action when behaviors over the weekend have an effect at school. The hard part is knowing what qualifies as affecting education.
    What should happen is that the plug should be pulled on all social media for the one being bullied . . . and the ones doing the bullying. No phone with internet access. No texting ability. No freakin' nuthin'.

    It is long past time that parents realize internet access, smartphones, dumb phones, unlimited texting plans, car keys, TVs in bedrooms, computers for other than school work . . . all if it . . . are perks to be earned. Not entitlements.

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