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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman909 View Post
    Indeed. I forgot about the bus.
    Some children, or young adults can be overbearing, and can cause trouble in, and out of the class room.
    This video was of a school bus driver who was attacked by a 17 year old. The 17 year old has been a trouble maker previous to this occasion.
    The bus driver did get his job back BTW.


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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    The school has authority at the school or on school transportation like buses and vans, however, that authority is rescinded, immediately, upon a parent or legal guardian coming to pick up their child, at any time or for any reason.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    But life just isn't that simple. For example, what if one student tells another they are going to beat them up when they see them at school. Well, they get to school and the first child could be afraid of the bully, but since nothing has technically happened, are you saying the first child should go through school all day in fear?

    There's no good solution here, because the best solution would be proactive parents teaching their children respect for others. But we know there will always be bullies, some people just don't know any other way. So it is then the job of the community, including the school, to do what they can to protect the bullied child.
    Parenting isnt simple...or easy. The school sets the rules for behavior at school....and if the kid is bullying, he/she gets suspended or expelled and the parents have to deal with the consequences....like daycare, missing work, etc.

    Parenting doesnt begin when a problem shows up....it begins when they are born and you are proactive and raise them to respect others, for example. That way, if they do disobey, you've got a foundation to fall back on and have already explained the consequences.

    But the schools barely have enough time and resources to TEACH, much less control your kids. And they arent doing a very good job at that, just IMO, as a general comment.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I picked other. Their authority to discipline only extends as far as the parent says. If the child misbehaves then the school should inform the parent and between the two they can come up with a suitable punishment...if any. And when I say that the school should get in touch with the parent I mean phone calls, no notes. If the parent ignores the phone calls then show up on their doorstep. If the parent doesn't engage then and only then can the school discipline as they see fit. And even then it only extends to things that the student does during school time and on school property. If the harrassment happens off school property then those school officials should call the cops just like any other ordinary citizen.

    The only sanctioned discipline actions that would be acceptable for the school to do on thier own without parental permission is detention and in school suspension (IE make student sit in office all day reading thier text books depending on the period they are suppose to be in). And even then the parent could override.
    I'm not paying taxes to have schools go out of their way, after hours, to talk to non-responsive, irresponsible parents. If they cant contact the parents by phone, discipline the kid or send the police (and I'm not thrilled with paying for them to do it either.)

    To be honest, I dont see any other punishments appropriate for schools to mete out at all besides the ones you described tho. A parent cant override either tho. THey dont like it, take your kid and go.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Agreed. Do you view bullying as a special case? Would you, for example, view a school policy of expelling a student who committed a crime - say possession of marijuana - off school property as a legitimate exercise of school authority?
    A non-violent crime? None of the school's business. And if there are safety risks to other students, then perhaps work something out with the parents in terms of responsibility and discipline or yes, expel or suspend kid.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Agreed. I want to say kids don't need phones... though the definition of "need" should factor in as well... but the reality is that the world has changed. For good or for bad, they are becoming more and more necessary.
    They are still just a convenience....we've just readjusted our lifestyles around them.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Depending on where you live, no there is not.

    Growing up we had friends and classmates on almost every block.

    It just is not like that anymore.

    If we were in another part of the city and our bus brokedown or we missed our connection, our parents would flip if we didn't call. But there were payphones everywhere. We were not calling for a bailout, just "hey, we are still trying to get back and there is a huge mess on Market St, we will at least be another hour or so'
    Someone else will have a cell phone, there dont need to be pay phones anymore....how many were right on hand in an emergency before?
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Pattett View Post
    I think when student leaves schools, responsibility of school should end. Parents should play their roles.
    Exactly. The more responsibility you remove from them, the less they'll take it on their own...they'll just defacto let 'others' handle it so they can be their kids friends, or whatever.

    Not all parents are like that at all...but many are.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not paying taxes to have schools go out of their way, after hours, to talk to non-responsive, irresponsible parents. If they cant contact the parents by phone, discipline the kid or send the police (and I'm not thrilled with paying for them to do it either.)

    To be honest, I dont see any other punishments appropriate for schools to mete out at all besides the ones you described tho. A parent cant override either tho. THey dont like it, take your kid and go.
    I'm sooo tired of the "I pay taxes" schtick. Why do people use that knowing that others pay it also and have just as much say in those regards as they do?
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm sooo tired of the "I pay taxes" schtick. Why do people use that knowing that others pay it also and have just as much say in those regards as they do?
    What is your point? That it's ok to waste my money and other people's? To do the jobs that parents should be doing?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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