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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I suppose it depends on the medium being exploited as well. Some have better privacy policies than others. I think we can both agree it's a terribly difficult situation.
    I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is it's not usually that cut and dry or black and white. Bullying is more than physical or even words, it could be something as simple as otherwise innocuous actions, but ones which are obviously intended to intimidate.

    I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is there's no on/off switch and that what happens at home carries over to school and vice versa.
    Agreed. Do you view bullying as a special case? Would you, for example, view a school policy of expelling a student who committed a crime - say possession of marijuana - off school property as a legitimate exercise of school authority?
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    If in school, the school and superintendent, if necessary, should be contacted.

    If out of school, the police should be contacted if it is at a level to be considered criminal.

    If not to the level of criminal, the parents need to teach their children how to handle bullies, and I don't mean teach them how to punch one in the face. Bullies are so much easier to diffuse than one thinks. Though it takes a plan and the bullied person needs a safe place to roll play the solutions til they are comfortable with them before using them at school. My daughter went through this, and over weekend we set a plan, I became her weekend bully and I was as mean and hateful as they were, over and over, until she could play her part without whine, whimper, or skittishness. Within a week it was all done, and she was never bullied again AND most importantly she gained a lot of self-confidence handling it herself which has served her well ever since.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Agreed. Do you view bullying as a special case? Would you, for example, view a school policy of expelling a student who committed a crime - say possession of marijuana - off school property as a legitimate exercise of school authority?
    I would not.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The problem with deciding where a line "should" be drawn is the fact real life has no lines. The bullying which happens over text and Facebook over the weekend is brought into the schools on Monday. This is a problem our school dealt with just this week.

    What "should" happen is parents SHOULD jerk on knot in their child's tail if their child is bullying someone when they are home. What SHOULD happen is the school should only be responsible for educating, not teaching manners and how to behave. What SHOULD happen is parents should be parents and be responsible for their child's actions.

    Unfortunately, what SHOULD happen is not what actually happens. So the school has to step in and take action when behaviors over the weekend have an effect at school. The hard part is knowing what qualifies as affecting education. At the end of the day, if the school can help prevent the abuse of one child by another child or children, then they should do what they can to protect the first child.

    At the end of the day, the school is part of the community and the community should do everything they can to protect children who need protecting.
    I will agree with part of what you said.

    The school should get the parents involved to resolve whatever situation arises, however if the parents do not do anything or the behaviour continues, then the school should step in if, as you say, it is affecting the schoolwork of the child.

    The parent should always be the first call before the school hands down any kind of punishment.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I agree, give them one of those granny cell phones. Calls home, parents work, and 911.
    Why does a kid need a phone at all?

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Going to and from school is a proper limit.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why does a kid need a phone at all?
    Actually, I want to agree with this, but pay phones are few and far between - at least where I live.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    As long as they are misbehaving against others from that school, they should get punished by the school even if it is off school grounds. But there must be real evidence against them for that to take place.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why does a kid need a phone at all?
    Actually, I want to agree with this, but pay phones are few and far between - at least where I live.
    Agreed. I want to say kids don't need phones... though the definition of "need" should factor in as well... but the reality is that the world has changed. For good or for bad, they are becoming more and more necessary.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    What "should" happen is parents SHOULD jerk on knot in their child's tail if their child is bullying someone when they are home. What SHOULD happen is the school should only be responsible for educating, not teaching manners and how to behave. What SHOULD happen is parents should be parents and be responsible for their child's actions.
    Right. That is what I thought also.

    Parents should control their kids and stop them from bullying younger kids. Also a policy may be issued that an older by age bully shall be stopped (i.e., sanctioned) from bullying young kids from someone who is even more older than the bully for instance. So the kids cannot be bullied from bigger children while they are not allowed to bully younger children also.

    I try to teach bullies that their approach is futile for there is always and always someone older/bigger/stronger than them. They should instead pick someone their own size.
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