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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If kids are doing it in person at school/on the bus, imo, the school should act swiftly and decisively. Lunch time spent in the school office alone. No extra-curricular activities. Period. Study halls spent in the school office alone. No outside school functions . . . no clubs . . . no dances. Assemblies recorded for their viewing pleasure. Assembly time spent in the school office alone. Make the price for bullying isolation and it'll stop.

    At the beginning of the school year, an anti-bullying handbook given out describing its harmful effects, giving kids an avenue to report it, and warning everyone that, "Here are the rules. Break them? Here are the consequences." Last page in handbook is a parent/student signature page to be kept on file.

    All reports documented in writing. Child suspended for two days and must bring parent back to get re-admitted. If this were school policy, bullying on school property would stop. And that's more than half the battle.
    And the suspended child should not be home alone, either.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    But life just isn't that simple. For example, what if one student tells another they are going to beat them up when they see them at school. Well, they get to school and the first child could be afraid of the bully, but since nothing has technically happened, are you saying the first child should go through school all day in fear?

    There's no good solution here, because the best solution would be proactive parents teaching their children respect for others. But we know there will always be bullies, some people just don't know any other way. So it is then the job of the community, including the school, to do what they can to protect the bullied child.

    No what I'm saying is that if nothing happened in school it's the parent's responsibility to deal with it not the schools. The school's role in this case is to inform the parents and to remind them of the consequences to their child should the behavior occur on school property.

    I agree with your sentiment regarding protecting bullied kids - though I'd couple that with teaching the bullied how to effectively deal with the problem because they will face it in adult life. I do think we can draw workable lines in terms of responsibility to dealing with the behavior.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Example: Mary and her friends have been harassing Dorothy at school. Bullying, if you will. Said harassing and bullying eventually expands to walking home, and then beyond that to Facebook and the internet at all times of the day.

    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Should the school's authority to discipline stop at the school's property line?

    Should the school be responsible until the student(s) get home?

    Should the school have authority to discipline at all hours, which would essentially be anything and anywhere?

    What think you?
    I picked other. Their authority to discipline only extends as far as the parent says. If the child misbehaves then the school should inform the parent and between the two they can come up with a suitable punishment...if any. And when I say that the school should get in touch with the parent I mean phone calls, no notes. If the parent ignores the phone calls then show up on their doorstep. If the parent doesn't engage then and only then can the school discipline as they see fit. And even then it only extends to things that the student does during school time and on school property. If the harrassment happens off school property then those school officials should call the cops just like any other ordinary citizen.

    The only sanctioned discipline actions that would be acceptable for the school to do on thier own without parental permission is detention and in school suspension (IE make student sit in office all day reading thier text books depending on the period they are suppose to be in). And even then the parent could override.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Exactly. I would go as far as holding both the school and the parents responsible when on school property.
    But we must get them newer generations used to all encompassing authority to be at the ready with discipline 24/7.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If kids are doing it in person at school/on the bus, imo, the school should act swiftly and decisively. Lunch time spent in the school office alone. No extra-curricular activities. Period. Study halls spent in the school office alone. No outside school functions . . . no clubs . . . no dances. Assemblies recorded for their viewing pleasure. Assembly time spent in the school office alone. Make the price for bullying isolation and it'll stop.

    At the beginning of the school year, an anti-bullying handbook given out describing its harmful effects, giving kids an avenue to report it, and warning everyone that, "Here are the rules. Break them? Here are the consequences." Last page in handbook is a parent/student signature page to be kept on file.

    All reports documented in writing. Child suspended for two days and must bring parent back to get re-admitted. If this were school policy, bullying on school property would stop. And that's more than half the battle.
    I don't think it would stop in an absolute sense, but I do think these ideas are good and could greatly reduce it. I don't think it would stop because there are always going to be some people who are just jerks and will do it in spite of any consequences.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

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    Both government(school), society, and parents must be involved as much as possible, but NOT micro-managing..
    Bullying is serious - reveals many problems...as to the why...these things must be nipped in the bud, but carefully and fairly.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Example: Mary and her friends have been harassing Dorothy at school. Bullying, if you will. Said harassing and bullying eventually expands to walking home, and then beyond that to Facebook and the internet at all times of the day.

    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Should the school's authority to discipline stop at the school's property line?

    Should the school be responsible until the student(s) get home?

    Should the school have authority to discipline at all hours, which would essentially be anything and anywhere?

    What think you?

    Schools are responsible for anything going on in the school, the property the school is on and the public school bus. A schools authority can extend if the students are on an official school field trip.Anything else then the school is overstepping its authority.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Example: Mary and her friends have been harassing Dorothy at school. Bullying, if you will. Said harassing and bullying eventually expands to walking home, and then beyond that to Facebook and the internet at all times of the day.

    Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Should the school's authority to discipline stop at the school's property line?

    Should the school be responsible until the student(s) get home?

    Should the school have authority to discipline at all hours, which would essentially be anything and anywhere?

    What think you?
    Dorothy should get herself a gun, learn to use it and then blow the bitches away.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I'm talking about parents taking these things away. I can easily agree with your thoughts on the one being bullied...if one could police the posts so the child wouldn't see them. But I don't think that can be done. Even if you defriend the trouble-makers, unless all one's other friends defriend as well, their posts will still be seen. I don't know . . . maybe a month's hiatus and then try again...?

    Why would I want my kid to stand in a room surrounded by people who are making fun of him and calling him names? That's just plain sadistic. Get him out of the room. Sign him off social media. Same thing.
    I suppose it depends on the medium being exploited as well. Some have better privacy policies than others. I think we can both agree it's a terribly difficult situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No what I'm saying is that if nothing happened in school it's the parent's responsibility to deal with it not the schools.
    I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is it's not usually that cut and dry or black and white. Bullying is more than physical or even words, it could be something as simple as otherwise innocuous actions, but ones which are obviously intended to intimidate.

    I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is there's no on/off switch and that what happens at home carries over to school and vice versa.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    school property and buses...but those bulling kids better watch out .. after awhile the kids being bullied get tired of it and someone may get hurt...

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