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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Schools = school grounds, school functions, school staff, school this - school that. Anytime they've created an environment or foster it via the presence of school officials it's their territory.

    Anything beyond school = law enforcement.

    Facebook? = parents/family and law enforcement.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The problem with deciding where a line "should" be drawn is the fact real life has no lines. The bullying which happens over text and Facebook over the weekend is brought into the schools on Monday. This is a problem our school dealt with just this week.

    What "should" happen is parents SHOULD jerk on knot in their child's tail if their child is bullying someone when they are home. What SHOULD happen is the school should only be responsible for educating, not teaching manners and how to behave. What SHOULD happen is parents should be parents and be responsible for their child's actions.

    Unfortunately, what SHOULD happen is not what actually happens. So the school has to step in and take action when behaviors over the weekend have an effect at school. The hard part is knowing what qualifies as affecting education. At the end of the day, if the school can help prevent the abuse of one child by another child or children, then they should do what they can to protect the first child.

    At the end of the day, the school is part of the community and the community should do everything they can to protect children who need protecting.
    I'm not sure I get the point of your first sentence. Once the bullying that had been happening via social media is brought into school it becomes a matter for the school to deal with. If it stays outside of school it's a matter for parents to deal with. That's not to say that the school can't inform the parents if they become aware of bullying that occurs outside of school - it just should not be their responsibility to resolve it. And they certainly shouldn't be suspending, expelling students over behavior that occurs outside of school.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What should happen is that the plug should be pulled on all social media for the one being bullied . . . and the ones doing the bullying. No phone with internet access. No texting ability. No freakin' nuthin'.

    It is long past time that parents realize internet access, smartphones, dumb phones, unlimited texting plans, car keys, TVs in bedrooms, computers for other than school work . . . all if it . . . are perks to be earned. Not entitlements.

    Amen Maggie. Well said.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What should happen is that the plug should be pulled on all social media for the one being bullied . . . and the ones doing the bullying. No phone with internet access. No texting ability. No freakin' nuthin'.

    It is long past time that parents realize internet access, smartphones, dumb phones, unlimited texting plans, car keys, TVs in bedrooms, computers for other than school work . . . all if it . . . are perks to be earned. Not entitlements.
    Surely you mean in the rest of the world but not here in America.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What should happen is that the plug should be pulled on all social media for the one being bullied . . . and the ones doing the bullying. No phone with internet access. No texting ability. No freakin' nuthin'.

    It is long past time that parents realize internet access, smartphones, dumb phones, unlimited texting plans, car keys, TVs in bedrooms, computers for other than school work . . . all if it . . . are perks to be earned. Not entitlements.
    I agree, give them one of those granny cell phones. Calls home, parents work, and 911.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What should happen is that the plug should be pulled on all social media for the one being bullied . . . and the ones doing the bullying. No phone with internet access. No texting ability. No freakin' nuthin'.
    I assume you mean by the parents, not a governmental authority, right?

    Why I'm certainly no "big bad government" tin foil hat guy, it would not do at all for government to remove access to information sources for those reasons.

    It is long past time that parents realize internet access, smartphones, dumb phones, unlimited texting plans, car keys, TVs in bedrooms, computers for other than school work . . . all if it . . . are perks to be earned. Not entitlements.
    Agreed, but at the same time, some kids are picked on simply because they do not have the same level of social skills other children do. I'm not sure I agree that being a victim should mean one should not have a chance to enjoy themselves. I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it, and I don't disagree with your reasoning. But maybe instead of the victim having social media pulled, the parent just goes through with the child and removes all potential for social media abuse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I'm not sure I get the point of your first sentence.
    The point was you cannot draw lines. It would be nice to compartmentalize a child's life and assign responsibility for it to different authorities, but it simply doesn't work that way.

    Once the bullying that had been happening via social media is brought into school it becomes a matter for the school to deal with. If it stays outside of school it's a matter for parents to deal with. That's not to say that the school can't inform the parents if they become aware of bullying that occurs outside of school - it just should not be their responsibility to resolve it. And they certainly shouldn't be suspending, expelling students over behavior that occurs outside of school.
    But life just isn't that simple. For example, what if one student tells another they are going to beat them up when they see them at school. Well, they get to school and the first child could be afraid of the bully, but since nothing has technically happened, are you saying the first child should go through school all day in fear?

    There's no good solution here, because the best solution would be proactive parents teaching their children respect for others. But we know there will always be bullies, some people just don't know any other way. So it is then the job of the community, including the school, to do what they can to protect the bullied child.
    Last edited by Slyfox696; 03-19-14 at 11:03 AM.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I assume you mean by the parents, not a governmental authority, right?

    Why I'm certainly no "big bad government" tin foil hat guy, it would not do at all for government to remove access to information sources for those reasons.

    Agreed, but at the same time, some kids are picked on simply because they do not have the same level of social skills other children do. I'm not sure I agree that being a victim should mean one should not have a chance to enjoy themselves. I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it, and I don't disagree with your reasoning. But maybe instead of the victim having social media pulled, the parent just goes through with the child and removes all potential for social media abuse.
    Yeah, I'm talking about parents taking these things away. I can easily agree with your thoughts on the one being bullied...if one could police the posts so the child wouldn't see them. But I don't think that can be done. Even if you defriend the trouble-makers, unless all one's other friends defriend as well, their posts will still be seen. I don't know . . . maybe a month's hiatus and then try again...?

    Why would I want my kid to stand in a room surrounded by people who are making fun of him and calling him names? That's just plain sadistic. Get him out of the room. Sign him off social media. Same thing.

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I'm talking about parents taking these things away. I can easily agree with your thoughts on the one being bullied...if one could police the posts so the child wouldn't see them. But I don't think that can be done. Even if you defriend the trouble-makers, unless all one's other friends defriend as well, their posts will still be seen. I don't know . . . maybe a month's hiatus and then try again...?

    Why would I want my kid to stand in a room surrounded by people who are making fun of him and calling him names? That's just plain sadistic. Get him out of the room. Sign him off social media. Same thing.
    The hard part about this, though, is that even if you disengage the kid being bullied, the bullies are still doing it amongst themselves and basically building it up for later when they are all in the same place physically, i.e. school, etc.

    I still have a very hard time accepting a school's authority after a kid has arrived home, but with the advent of social media things aren't as easily defined or cut-and-dried as they used to be when I was a kid.
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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I agree, give them one of those granny cell phones. Calls home, parents work, and 911.
    You and Maggie are coming up with some common sense solutions. Bravo

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    Re: Where should the line be for a public school's authority over students?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The hard part about this, though, is that even if you disengage the kid being bullied, the bullies are still doing it amongst themselves and basically building it up for later when they are all in the same place physically, i.e. school, etc.

    I still have a very hard time accepting a school's authority after a kid has arrived home, but with the advent of social media things aren't as easily defined or cut-and-dried as they used to be when I was a kid.
    If kids are doing it in person at school/on the bus, imo, the school should act swiftly and decisively. Lunch time spent in the school office alone. No extra-curricular activities. Period. Study halls spent in the school office alone. No outside school functions . . . no clubs . . . no dances. Assemblies recorded for their viewing pleasure. Assembly time spent in the school office alone. Make the price for bullying isolation and it'll stop.

    At the beginning of the school year, an anti-bullying handbook given out describing its harmful effects, giving kids an avenue to report it, and warning everyone that, "Here are the rules. Break them? Here are the consequences." Last page in handbook is a parent/student signature page to be kept on file.

    All reports documented in writing. Child suspended for two days and must bring parent back to get re-admitted. If this were school policy, bullying on school property would stop. And that's more than half the battle.

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