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    Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    this is a hypothetical scenario.

    suppose the keystone pipeline is built, or is nearing completion. What if someone or some group sabotaged the pipeline in such a way that it would make tarsands useless? like dumping liquid nitrogen to freeze the pipes.

    what would be the level of outrage be in the united states and canada?
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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    this is a hypothetical scenario.

    suppose the keystone pipeline is built, or is nearing completion. What if someone or some group sabotaged the pipeline in such a way that it would make tarsands useless? like dumping liquid nitrogen to freeze the pipes.

    what would be the level of outrage be in the united states and canada?
    Liberals will get the blame, reinforcing their revolutionary nature, but it wouldn't change anything because the oil would be shipped via rail, at increased cost to the environment and at greater risk to the people, until such time as the pipeline was fixed.

    The better alternative for liberals is to simply forgo using oil. They should walk everywhere, not use electricity, not heat their homes. By doing this they will crater demand for oil, lowering the price of oil, and thus making oil sands products not cost competitive.

    Liberals who use oil but protest against oil developments strike me as off their rockers.

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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    How is that different than a U.S. administrative block of the pipeline project? The result of either is a delivery system delay, not rendering the source material useless.
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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Liberals will get the blame, reinforcing their revolutionary nature, but it wouldn't change anything because the oil would be shipped via rail, at increased cost to the environment and at greater risk to the people, until such time as the pipeline was fixed.

    The better alternative for liberals is to simply forgo using oil. They should walk everywhere, not use electricity, not heat their homes. By doing this they will crater demand for oil, lowering the price of oil, and thus making oil sands products not cost competitive.

    Liberals who use oil but protest against oil developments strike me as off their rockers.
    what if the groups intention was to permanently destroy any chance at accesscing tar sands? like freezing it with liquid nitrogen?
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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what if the groups intention was to permanently destroy any chance at accesscing tar sands? like freezing it with liquid nitrogen?
    Um, that section of pipeline would thaw. It would probably have suffered from structural damage from the cryogenic process (however you managed to pull that off) and so would be cut out from the pipeline and replaced with a new, structurally sound, section of pipe and then operations would commence again.

    Total time out of commission = 4 hours to 3 days.

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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Um, that section of pipeline would thaw. It would probably have suffered from structural damage from the cryogenic process (however you managed to pull that off) and so would be cut out from the pipeline and replaced with a new, structurally sound, section of pipe and then operations would commence again.

    Total time out of commission = 4 hours to 3 days.
    i am talking about liquid nitrogen inside the pipe. freezing the tar sands itself.
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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am talking about liquid nitrogen inside the pipe. freezing the tar sands itself.
    Jesus...why the specific focus on liquid nitrogen?

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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am talking about liquid nitrogen inside the pipe. freezing the tar sands itself.
    Whatever Liquid Nitrogen you managed to inject into the oil flowing through the pipe would be rapidly diluted, meaning that the temperature of the LN would rise rapidly. Try dropping an ice cube into a hot tub and see what happens.

    If this is your plan, then no one would notice the effect. They might notice you tampering with the pipeline, but the LN would not cause any problem.

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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Jesus...why the specific focus on liquid nitrogen?
    making the tar sands useless.
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    Re: Hypothetical: someone sabotaged keystone pipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    making the tar sands useless.
    You seem a lot more interested in the logistics of sabotaging the pipe than you are in a discussion of the reaction to its destruction.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 03-16-14 at 11:17 PM.

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