View Poll Results: Will the Ukraine lead to further Regional Conflicts?

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  • Yes, Putin is determined to build an empire.

    20 39.22%
  • No, we'll crush them economically.

    2 3.92%
  • Our military really scares them.

    1 1.96%
  • Diplomacy will win the day.

    5 9.80%
  • This event will fade away in time.

    25 49.02%
  • Give them a basket of fish.

    8 15.69%
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Thread: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    let russia have crimea. let ukraine have the rest.
    But will the Ukraine settle for that solution? Imagine a civil war, where Russia crushes the Ukrainian military and population?

    Will the West sit back and avoid it?
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This may all be true to some degree but the main reason they're struggling for control over the Ukraine is gas and border security. Russia needs the money and backed Assad in Syria to block the southern gas line from Qatar from coming thru. The more old provinces Russia loses dominance over, the less resources they have for financial returns and global influence.





    Russia definitely wants Crimea because of its peoples alliance and naval bases, but they didn't support Yakanovich just to annex Crimea. Currently, about two-thirds of Russia’s gas exports to Europe travel through Ukraine. Though, I think they could settle for Crimea and build alternative pipelines to the EU, gaining the offshore deposits.

    The Ukrainians will definitely not want to loose that province, but I'm not sure Russia will allow much of a resistance. That's why the poll, and wondering how far will the West resist Putin's advances?
    Probably to the point of imposing sanctions and trying to make it as costly as possible for Russia to get what it wants, but not to the point of military intervention.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    But will the Ukraine settle for that solution? Imagine a civil war, where Russia crushes the Ukrainian military and population?

    Will the West sit back and avoid it?
    russia will probably try to frame the situation in such a way that downplays its aggression and blames the ukrainians. that is what they did in georgia back in 2008, and it is likely they are doing the same thing here.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Probably to the point of imposing sanctions and trying to make it as costly as possible for Russia to get what it wants, but not to the point of military intervention.
    I'll agree that this is the most likely scenario. The problem with playing chicken with a substantial foe/nuclear power is not to slap them too hard.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    russia will probably try to frame the situation in such a way that downplays its aggression and blames the ukrainians. that is what they did in georgia back in 2008, and it is likely they are doing the same thing here.
    They'll try and do this anyway, but it doesn't mean the Ukrainians will accept those terms.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    I think you see the Ukraine minus the Crimea have no problems joining the EU and separating themselves from Russian influence. I think the Crimea was just problems in every way possible for the Ukraine.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think you see the Ukraine minus the Crimea have no problems joining the EU and separating themselves from Russian influence. I think the Crimea was just problems in every way possible for the Ukraine.
    Putin appears to be using elite commandos—Spetsnaz—to spearhead his stealth move into Crimea and, perhaps, beyond.

    Forget the military forces massed on the border and brief incursions into Ukrainian territory and airspace. Russia is invading Ukraine in the shadows. The same special operations forces that appear to be rigging the election in Crimea are quietly escalating tensions inside other parts of eastern Ukraine.

    Few politicians in Kiev seemed to have any doubts that the results of the referendum Sunday will bring Crimea under the Kremlin's control. The question discussed in political circles continues to be whether Russia will use open military force against Ukrainian army bases outside the peninsula, in the rest of Ukraine.
    Russian Commandos Invade Ukraine
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I think you see the Ukraine minus the Crimea have no problems joining the EU and separating themselves from Russian influence. I think the Crimea was just problems in every way possible for the Ukraine.
    That's the way it looks now, let Crimea go under Russian influence, and the rest of Ukraine join the EU.
    How might Russia react to that, though, given the natural gas pipelines that were discussed earlier?

    Putin is not stupid. Surely, he has considered the possibility that his action in Crimea could have the result of a European Ukraine and loss of control of the pipelines.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Who suffers is not Russia or the USA. It's the other people who get stomped on.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    That's where the US and the European Union need to draw the line.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's where the US and the European Union need to draw the line.
    I think eventually he'll give in on the Ukraine and accept Crimea as a victory, but he doesn't want to make it easy for future conflicts of interests. It's a game of "push & shove" for the EU, US and NATO, with geographic resources being the main goal, not the indigenous people. Our countries don't really fight for peoples freedoms and rights, as much as they pretend.
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