View Poll Results: Will the Ukraine lead to further Regional Conflicts?

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  • Yes, Putin is determined to build an empire.

    20 39.22%
  • No, we'll crush them economically.

    2 3.92%
  • Our military really scares them.

    1 1.96%
  • Diplomacy will win the day.

    5 9.80%
  • This event will fade away in time.

    25 49.02%
  • Give them a basket of fish.

    8 15.69%
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Thread: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Russia wins in the short term...but loses in the long term. If Putin decides to "Expand" much more, the western backlash from both Europe and the U.S. will devastate an economy dependent on both for prosperity.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    A lil bit more from China....


    China, often a Russian ally in blocking Western moves in the U.N. Security Council, was more cautious, saying economic sanctions were not the best way to solve the crisis and avoiding comment on the Crimean referendum.

    But Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov ridiculed calls for Russia to join an international "contact group" with Ukraine proposed by the West, saying they "make us smile".

    Unarmed military observers from the pan-European Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe were blocked from entering Crimea for a second day in a row on Friday, the OSCE said on Twitter.

    The United Nations said it had sent its assistant secretary-general for human rights, Ivan Simonovic, to Kiev to conduct a preliminary humans rights assessment.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/crimea-votes-j...0--sector.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...ukraine-3.html

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    US vs. Russia, who wins?
    No one wins. One loses worse than the other, perhaps, but there is no winner.

    That's why there is unlikely to be any real conflict between the US and Russia. There may be some leaping, hooting, rattling of sabers, and trash talk, but no real conflict.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    While I don't think Putin's ambitions are quite "Hitleresque" in scope, I don't think he has any intention of stopping any time soon either.

    He's going to continue pushing his luck for so long as the West continues to give him the leeway to do so.

    He might not want to "conquer the world," per se, but he certainly seems to have his heart set on re-establishing Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. So far, we've simply been letting him get away with it.
    That's how I see it too. I think he wants to bring back a form of the USSR and push for a Russian Empire in Europe.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    The 'Reds', eh? That Russia's become the archetypal shadow that looms large in the American psyche, only illustrates the impact of over half a century of generational indoctrination. The shameless hypocrisy here far outweighs the gravity of Russia's indiscretion.

    McCain's just a senile product of his time. He probably got back all flustered that no one trembled before him while he was over there. These old guys are nostalgic for the black and white movie Bogarts they began emulating when they still had lead in their pencils. Ignore him. The old fool's a stone's throw away from apoplexy. He probably wept as the wall fell.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Before Khrushchev the Ukraine asked to come under being a protective under the Russian Czarist back during the mid 1600's. They remained so until 1920 when the Ukraine became part of the USSR.

    I think there is some comparisons to the Sudetenland during the 1930's and Crimea today.

    When you have foreigners living in a country who refuse to assimilate and hold on to the customs, culture and language of their motherland, **** like this happens.

    Mexico is watching closely at what Putin is doing and what little Obama can do because we are no longer the super power we were before 2009. I'm waiting for the Mexican Army to annex the city of Los Angeles.
    I thought the Mexicans had already annexed LA, but I've heard now that the conquering Mexicans are slowly being driven out by hordes of Asiatic races. With resupplies from Harry Reid and the Democrats, the Mexican forces are now charging across Nevada.

    These dramatic changes in conquered American territory should be on the nightly news.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I thought the Mexicans had already annexed LA, but I've heard now that the conquering Mexicans are slowly being driven out by hordes of Asiatic races. With resupplies from Harry Reid and the Democrats, the Mexican forces are now charging across Nevada.
    Los Angeles technically is under Mexican occupation. Soon Las Vegas will be under occupation. The battle lines have dropped back to the Arizona border and while the Mexicans and their leftist activist allies are attacking on one front while Obama and Eric Holder are waging guerilla warfare in the courts against Gov. Brewer and Sheriff Joe.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Los Angeles technically is under Mexican occupation. Soon Las Vegas will be under occupation. The battle lines have dropped back to the Arizona border and while the Mexicans and their leftist activist allies are attacking on one front while Obama and Eric Holder are waging guerilla warfare in the courts against Gov. Brewer and Sheriff Joe.
    Dramatic news as the Western Front falls and the conquerors move Eastward! American refugees find there is no place left for them.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Grip. I see ya picked up Johnny Quests remarks about Russia. You know that one is going to go viral.




    If Putin does then moves to annex Crimea, another wave of sanctions, this time economic and more painful, are supposed to kick in.

    But Kremlin watchers like Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of the Russian quarterly "Russia in Global Affairs," notes that Putin has already decided to annex Crimea, and that no Western sanctions will deter him.

    "Putin doesn't care about what others will say," said Lukyanov. "And the West is demonstrating political dementia thinking that these individuals will be terrified by visa bans and asset freezes."

    Lukyanov also bets that the Kremlin has every chance of winning — or at least stalemating — a "war of sanctions" against the U.S. and European Union.

    They believe the recent build-up of Russian forces along Ukraine’s border and even Saturday’s incursion into mainland Ukraine by dozens of Russian troops - to commandeer a Crimean natural gas pumping station - are signals to the Ukrainian government in Kiev.

    "It’s part of a campaign to put more pressure on Ukraine," said Andrei Soldatov, a Russian security analyst and blogger, "and to send a clear message to Kiev — leave Crimea alone or we can take more."

    Whatever is up the Russian leader’s sleeve, he seems to be holding all the cards. And — as always — has left everyone guessing....snip~

    What's Putin's Next Move? It's Anyone's Guess, Experts Say - NBC News

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...2014-a-74.html

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    We've been pushing our way thru the ME for resources the last decade, and Russia finally said Nyet when it involved Syria.
    I don't see Putin as a madman or tyrant but someone who has his countries interests at heart. They're not going to take any strong reactions to the Ukraine lightly.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Dramatic news as the Western Front falls and the conquerors move Eastward! American refugees find there is no place left for them.
    The invading enemy already has a foothold in Chicago and they have one of their allies in Congress. Rep. Luis V. Gutiérrez (D-IL).

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