View Poll Results: Will the Ukraine lead to further Regional Conflicts?

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  • Yes, Putin is determined to build an empire.

    20 39.22%
  • No, we'll crush them economically.

    2 3.92%
  • Our military really scares them.

    1 1.96%
  • Diplomacy will win the day.

    5 9.80%
  • This event will fade away in time.

    25 49.02%
  • Give them a basket of fish.

    8 15.69%
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Thread: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Aww come on buddy ole pal. Don't be mad.

    There's nothing to get worked up about. We're here discussing politics because, supposedly, that's fun. In this case, I think Obama is doing a terrible job and he needs to grow a set and deal with the Russians from a position if strength, rather than a bent over position with his cheeks spread wide. I take it you disagree?
    Reading the history of the whole region and then putting it in the light of the West/Russian dealings with Muslims worldwide, this was a done deal between West Europe, the USA and Russia before it began. All the words said are just diversionary noise.

    The West and USA are not going to do anything but make noise over what they wanted and planned with Russia to happen. The President doesn't himself and the politicians do not make these decisions. They just have to try to make themselves look good when it does.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    Out of curiosity, was the vote by secret ballot, or was a soldier standing next to each voter watching him/her cast their vote? If it was a secret ballot, then why would anyone be intimidated as no one would know what the person voted. If it wasn't, then, of course, the result cannot be taken seriously.
    It doesn't matter what the voters did. According to the White House, Russia provided pre-marked ballots that were counted by those who had already declared they wanted the outcome to be to join Russia. The "95%" result proves it a fraud anyway, since this has been voted on before in Crimea and it has gone both ways by very narrow margins.

    When you already have the ballots you want and are going to count, it doesn't matter what the voters do as their ballots just get burned anyway.

    The USA and West wanted this outcome anyway. It's all just smoke and mirrors diversionary issues anyway.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    The EU especially needs to be very careful about sanctions on Russia. If Russia decides that it's just not worth doing business with Europe, natural gas prices will go way up. They may not freeze anymore, but they'll be paying a lot more money.

    I just have trouble taking the West seriously on this. They talk about the "elected leaders" when the elected leaders are the guys that got deposed in their revolution. They talk about "territorial integrity" on a piece of land that was part of Russia before Kruschev played with internal borders of the USSR. The referendum is decried as "unconstitutional" but the revolution wasn't exactly constitutional either.

    It just sounds like the West wants to have it their way - we're not standing up for the democratic process in Ukraine, and in fact the only vote on any of this has been called a fraud. What we should have done is go with Putin to put Yanukovich back in - "We don't like him either, but he was elected and we think the democratic process is important." Our desire to have it both ways has created this whole problem in the first place


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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Russia seems to have Crimea, locked up, as a part of their country.

    How far will the US and EU pursue this issue, after the Crimea province and Ukraine leadership is settled and stable?

    Is this about energy only, or are we really concerned about the people?
    This will likely blow up into something that ****s all of us over in the end.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The EU especially needs to be very careful about sanctions on Russia. If Russia decides that it's just not worth doing business with Europe, natural gas prices will go way up. They may not freeze anymore, but they'll be paying a lot more money.

    I just have trouble taking the West seriously on this. They talk about the "elected leaders" when the elected leaders are the guys that got deposed in their revolution. They talk about "territorial integrity" on a piece of land that was part of Russia before Kruschev played with internal borders of the USSR. The referendum is decried as "unconstitutional" but the revolution wasn't exactly constitutional either.

    It just sounds like the West wants to have it their way - we're not standing up for the democratic process in Ukraine, and in fact the only vote on any of this has been called a fraud. What we should have done is go with Putin to put Yanukovich back in - "We don't like him either, but he was elected and we think the democratic process is important." Our desire to have it both ways has created this whole problem in the first place
    Why would there be sanctions? Once again, White people - USA, EU and Russia - kicked ass on those damn dirty Muslims. White people rule and own all but Asia and nobody better forget it.

    There will be a lot of irrelevant noise until the next diversions come along.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This will likely blow up into something that ****s all of us over in the end.
    Ultimately Muslim payback will come, but that's a long way off. It may will "blow up," as in nuclear. But it won't be between Russia and the USA. Muslims and the white West.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Ultimately Muslim payback will come, but that's a long way off. It may will "blow up," as in nuclear. But it won't be between Russia and the USA. Muslims and the white West.
    I didn't mean it will literally explode. But rather that neither the Russian people nor the American nor the European People will be served by what's likely to turn out of this political pissing match.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Because that was the alternate provided. What are we going to measure his foreign policy reaction to? Some fictitious non-extent easy solution that just assumes if he was "tougher" Syria would be solved, Iran would give up nukes, and Putin would be scared to expand?
    Well, yes, that would be what one would compare it to. He is the President after all, and it is his "policy" to consider.

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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This will likely blow up into something that ****s all of us over in the end.
    MMC made a good point in another thread, that some sort of clash was inevitable with large nations struggling for global resources. Unlike China, we don't have enough direct trade to hurt each other that much.

    As long as Obama is making hour long phone calls, they'll work it out. It's when the talking is over that things turn serious.
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    Re: U.S. - Russia, who wins?

    does crimea have any natural resouces? and if they have citizens that like russia.. who are we to say anything..people dont like obama but the majority of people put him in.. U.S. - Russia, who wins?-fsx-f15-tomcat-jpg1-jpg

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