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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?


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My only difficulty is that if she applies for government resources on behalf of the child, no way no how as a taxpayer do I want tax dollars supporting the child when the father is out there and able.

In every state now, if the mother applies for public assistance, the state or county automatically does go after the father now, whether she wants them to or not.
 
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Being in the delivery room, instead of right outside, means all that?

If he's a real man, will he up and abandon personal relationship with his kid if he cant see it pop out?
To a dad yeah being in the delivery room and cutting the cord means a lot.

My ex had the adopting parents of our first 2 there and meant the world to them.
 
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In every state now, if the mother applies for public assistance, the state or county automatically does go after the father now, whether she wants them to or not.
I personally know that to be a fact.
 
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In every state now, if the mother applies for public assistance, the state or county automatically does go after the father now, whether she wants them to or not.

That's why it's really, really difficult for a parent (mother or father) to say..."Oh well, I don't want the kid, terminate my rights." Terminating rights ends a legal recourse for the state.
 
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In every state now, if the mother applies for public assistance, the state or county automatically does go after the father now, whether she wants them to or not.

That was my issue with GB74s "fair solution".
 
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To a dad yeah being in the delivery room and cutting the cord means a lot.

My ex had the adopting parents of our first 2 there and meant the world to them.

That's really nice.
 
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To a dad yeah being in the delivery room and cutting the cord means a lot.

My ex had the adopting parents of our first 2 there and meant the world to them.

And how was the relationship between your ex and the parents who were going to adopt their kids? I bet you it wasn't estranged. And where they present during the entire labor or just the "cord cutting" procedure?

And in a perfect world the dad would be present, but this is a case of 2 estranged individuals and if she does not want to be confronted with his presence in the delivery room then that is her choice.
 
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And how was the relationship between your ex and the parents who were going to adopt their kids? I bet you it wasn't estranged.
Of course it wasn't. What a silly question. Why would we give our child to an estranged couple? You don't seem to have a grasp on the real world. My comment you're quoting here was contained to what it means to men to be there when the child is born and does not say anything on my over-all position of the real story in OP; my position on that has already been posted.

And where they present during the entire labor or just the "cord cutting" procedure?
The adopting father cut the cord both time, yes.

And in a perfect world the dad would be present, but this is a case of 2 estranged individuals and if she does not want to be confronted with his presence in the delivery room then that is her choice.
That's pretty much what I said in my first post in this thread, quoted here for your reference:
Yes he has that right, and like all rights it has limitations such as being subordinate to the doctor's and mother's wish. If neither of those two people object, then the father has a right to assert against the wishes of others.
 
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Of course it wasn't. What a silly question. Why would we give our child to an estranged couple? You don't seem to have a grasp on the real world. My comment you're quoting here was contained to what it means to men to be there when the child is born and does not say anything on my over-all position of the real story in OP; my position on that has already been posted.

I was just saying that being welcome is something that is absolutely imperative for the mother to be (during labor). And I was not saying an estranged couple but (and I know that would not happen), you made it like that.

The only point is that people just do not want people in the delivery room that they are comfortable with.

The adopting father cut the cord both time, yes.

That was not what I was asking, where they in the delivery room during the entire birthing process or did they come in especially for the cutting of the cord?

That's pretty much what I said in my first post in this thread, quoted here for your reference:

That is what I feel too, I just do not understand one thing, if the doctor and the mother do not have a problem with the father being in the delivery room, who are the others who he has to "assert against"?
 
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The woman AND the man should prevent against diseases and pregnancy. Neither partner should count on the other.

Definitely agree! :thumbs:
 
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I think that conservatives expect women to be more intelligent than the evidence suggests is the reality of the situation.


As a conservative, I know that most times I expect people in general to be more intelligent than the evidence suggests is the reality of the situation. I have come to the conclusion that 90% of the population are morons.
 
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As a conservative, I know that most times I expect people in general to be more intelligent than the evidence suggests is the reality of the situation. I have come to the conclusion that 90% of the population are morons.
Thus my suspicion that "Idiocracy"is a prophecy, rather than a mere movie. :lol:
 
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As a conservative, I know that most times I expect people in general to be more intelligent than the evidence suggests is the reality of the situation. I have come to the conclusion that 90% of the population are morons.

90% of the population are certainly morons, but the better way to distinguish oneself from them might be to display the sort of acumen necessary to avoid linking intelligence to one's own political ideology.
 
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My only difficulty is that if she applies for government resources on behalf of the child, no way no how as a taxpayer do I want tax dollars supporting the child when the father is out there and able.

I agree. That is a ridiculous idea. I cannot even believe someone would come up with this silly idea. Sure, let the dad walk so that everyone else can support HIS child financially? Not to mention, AGAIN, people are equating not being able to observe the delivery with not being able to see the child. This woman has clearly stated that this guy CAN see and have a relationship with the child. She simply does not want him present in the room with her when she is going through the delivery of the child. The two things have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
 
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Being in the delivery room, instead of right outside, means all that?

If he's a real man, will he up and abandon personal relationship with his kid if he cant see it pop out?

I know, it's incredibly retarded.
 
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Once upon a time you were admitted, taken to a room, your muff was shaved then you were given a friggen enema. You want to talk about stress? Labor pains and having to run to the friggen toilet ever 10 minutes. You want to talk some more stress? Then they rolled you into a closet size room, left you there to go through the process of dilating every so often coming in to check your blood pressure and no one was allowed back there with you. In pain, scared and alone, that's stress!

Ah yes, the good old days! At one point, I could have sworn that the guys washing the windows outside came in to check on me to see how far along I was in the dilating process! :mrgreen: I was veryhappy to see my doctor at that point!
 
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Most women don't even SEE the baby come out. They are too busy being in pain and pushing. Also, if a woman has a cesarean section, she most certainly doesn't see anything and nobody else is allowed into the operating room because sterility is essential. So, if you really think about, there is no "right" for anyone to watch to the baby be born, not even mom.
 
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Most women don't even SEE the baby come out. They are too busy being in pain and pushing. Also, if a woman has a cesarean section, she most certainly doesn't see anything and nobody else is allowed into the operating room because sterility is essential. So, if you really think about, there is no "right" for anyone to watch to the baby be born, not even mom.

Actually, dads are allowed in the OR with a C-section depending on hospital policy.

I was to have a C-section with and epidural. He was scrubbed dressed and ready. We both would have "witnessed" the birth, but I had complications and they escorted him out and put me under in a flash.

The idea was a stable C-section with epidural was ok, unstable and/or with general anesthesia not ok.
 
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Actually, dads are allowed in the OR with a C-section depending on hospital policy.

I was to have a C-section with and epidural. He was scrubbed dressed and ready. We both would have "witnessed" the birth, but I had complications and they escorted him out and put me under in a flash.

The idea was a stable C-section with epidural was ok, unstable and/or with general anesthesia not ok.

Interesting, I've never heard of that before. I don't think I'd really want to watch them pull a baby out of an incision in my belly though. :shock: Yeesh, that would freak me out I think.
 
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Interesting, I've never heard of that before. I don't think I'd really want to watch them pull a baby out of an incision in my belly though. :shock: Yeesh, that would freak me out I think.

From what I understand, if the mother remains awake, they will usually put a short screen up so that she can't see the operation.

She can request to go without, of course, but I can't imagine why she would. Lol
 
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I was just saying that being welcome is something that is absolutely imperative for the mother to be (during labor). And I was not saying an estranged couple but (and I know that would not happen), you made it like that.
All I said was it means something to dads to be there when the child is born. You're reading way to much into it.

The only point is that people just do not want people in the delivery room that they are comfortable with.
I was just giving a personal experience. I wasn't making a general statement. Sheesh.

That was not what I was asking, where they in the delivery room during the entire birthing process or did they come in especially for the cutting of the cord?
The whole process. We had an appointment to induce labor, and both adopting parents were there from check-in to birth the whole time. This was her (my ex's) wish so that in her mind she was basically a surrogate for someone else's child and wouldn't change her mind at any point, which many moms do.

That is what I feel too, I just do not understand one thing, if the doctor and the mother do not have a problem with the father being in the delivery room, who are the others who he has to "assert against"?
Other family. My mother in-law didn't want me in the delivery room. She said it was a mother-daughter moment and husbands should wait by the nursery. She claimed some 'right to be with her daughter during birth'. The staff would only let one of us be there and married spouses > parents due to being next-of-kin, so I was there and the in-law wasn't. She never forgave me for that but that's ok because we didn't get along anyway.
 
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From what I understand, if the mother remains awake, they will usually put a short screen up so that she can't see the operation.

She can request to go without, of course, but I can't imagine why she would. Lol

I have no desire to watch, and even if I didn't get to, I would not ABANDON my baby over it, like some people are saying they would do. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE and selfish, rotten people they must be!
 
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I have no desire to watch, and even if I didn't get to, I would not ABANDON my baby over it, like some people are saying they would do. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE and selfish, rotten people they must be!

I agree. Abandoning your child outright over the inability to be present during delivery is simply absurd.

Frankly, I'm not even sure why a man would even want to be present under these particular circumstances anyway. His ex clearly doesn't like him, and he doesn't like her either.

Even if she did allow it, you'd think that the experience would just be incredibly awkward and uncomfortable more than anything else.
 
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Other family. My mother in-law didn't want me in the delivery room. She said it was a mother-daughter moment and husbands should wait by the nursery. She claimed some 'right to be with her daughter during birth'. The staff would only let one of us be there and married spouses > parents due to being next-of-kin, so I was there and the in-law wasn't. She never forgave me for that but that's ok because we didn't get along anyway.

How dare they interfere in something that is only between a husband and his wife to decide. Other people have zero to do with this, mother in laws especially have totally nothing to say about that. You have done nothing that deserves forgiveness, you were absolutely in the right and your mother in law was not.
 
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I agree. Abandoning your child outright over the inability to be present during delivery is simply absurd.

Frankly, I'm not even sure why a man would even want to be present under these particular circumstances anyway. His ex clearly doesn't like him, and he doesn't like her either.

Even if she did allow it, you'd think that the experience would just be incredibly awkward and uncomfortable more than anything else.

I don't get that either. I would feel very uncomfortable knowing that a person did not want me there and would certainly never impose myself on another person in that way.
 
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