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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?

  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 35 63.6%

  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • I Love Chicken Parm

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Total voters
    55
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
???? Her *****? She's bleeding, screaming, sometimes ****ting herself and often afraid.

No woman should have to share that with someone she distrusts and dislikes....he can throw it in her face, metaphorically of course, anytime. No one wants to share that with someone they are not safe and intimate with.

How disrespectful to ask that of a woman that doesnt wish to share it. Ugh.
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Hey guys, here's an example you can compare it to. For some reason, Pulp FIction just came to mind.

How would you feel if your ex saw you bent over a bench getting butt-raped?

How would you feel everytime she saw you after that?

I'm not talking about the trauma of the rape...heck, maybe it was even consensual. (not going for melodrama here...)

I'm talking about someone you dislike, thinking of that everytime they have to deal with you in the future.
 
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Gipper said:
All about the woman. Always.

God, the ego.
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A video? Something that private that she has NO CONTROL over, in the hands of someone she dislikes and distrusts and likely feels the same way about her?
 
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Lursa said:
I've explained that many times in the thread, as have others. Also, physical pain is not the only consideration.

After all, he's not making *his* case based on physical pain she's causing him, is he?
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I haven't seen any explanation of "physical" pain being caused by his presence. IMHO, physical pain shouldn't be a consideration. so why even bring it up (other than to try to elicit an emotional, rather than rational, response)?
 
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Lursa said:
A video? Something that private that she has NO CONTROL over, in the hands of someone she dislikes and distrusts and likely feels the same way about her?
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You're equating it to a dude getting a shower cam and slapping it up on Redtube. Interesting.

Basically the only thing you're teaching me on this thread is "don't impregnate a woman unless you're 100% sure that she's not a psycho bitch".
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
???? Her *****? She's bleeding, screaming, sometimes ****ting herself and often afraid.

No woman should have to share that with someone she distrusts and dislikes....he can throw it in her face, metaphorically of course, anytime. No one wants to share that with someone they are not safe and intimate with.

How disrespectful to ask that of a woman that doesnt wish to share it. Ugh.
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ah, so it's a "metaphorical weapon". :rolleyes: thanks for clearing that up..... :laughat:


on the flip side, if he isn't there, then she can throw that in his face, metaphorically of course, anytime.
 
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OscarB63 said:
ah, so it's a "metaphorical weapon". :rolleyes: thanks for clearing that up..... :laughat:
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No, 'throwing it in her face' was the metaphorical part.

Do I need to use words of 2 syllables or less?
 
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Gipper said:
You're equating it to a dude getting a shower cam and slapping it up on Redtube. Interesting.

Basically the only thing you're teaching me on this thread is "don't impregnate a woman unless you're 100% sure that she's not a psycho bitch".
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What's to stop him from doing so? How about when they get into a child custody fight sometime in the future?

And she is (so far) denying him nothing except a presence in the delivery room so now who's being melodramatic?
 
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call me a sexist/whatever, but I believe that a father's desire to be present at the birth of a child (his child) that he will be legally and ethically obligated to support for at least the next 18 years should be more important than the embarassment and "emotional distress" the mother "might" suffer for a couple of hours.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

OscarB63 said:
I haven't seen any explanation of "physical" pain being caused by his presence. IMHO, physical pain shouldn't be a consideration. so why even bring it up (other than to try to elicit an emotional, rather than rational, response)?
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The risks of stress are real. That's physical. The links have been posted by others in the thread.

However we can even leave it out of the argument if you like.

How is *his emotional pain* at not viewing the birth comparable to hers...which I have described and most continue to dismiss as unimportant.

If her feelings are unimportant, why arent his?
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
What's to stop him from doing so? How about when they get into a child custody fight sometime in the future?

And she is (so far) denying him nothing except a presence in the delivery room so now who's being melodramatic?
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yeah, how about when they get into a custody fight sometime in the future and she throws it in his face "you weren't even there when he/she was born"?
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
What's to stop him from doing so? How about when they get into a child custody fight sometime in the future?

And she is (so far) denying him nothing except a presence in the delivery room so now who's being melodramatic?
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So his ammunition for a custody fight is what? How is a video of the childbirth some sort of "incriminating evidence"?

Out of curiosity, do you actually say these things aloud as you type them? That was laughable.
 
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Lursa said:
The risks of stress are real. That's physical. The links have been posted by others in the thread.

However we can even leave it out of the argument if you like.

How is *his emotional pain* at not viewing the birth comparable to hers...which I have described and most continue to dismiss as unimportant.

If her feelings are unimportant, why arent his?
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his feelings are based on his love for the child. her feelings are based on her anger at him and her concern for herself......
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

OscarB63 said:
yeah, how about when they get into a custody fight sometime in the future and she throws it in his face "you weren't even there when he/she was born"?
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He can be right outside, like fathers have been for generations. I've never heard them criticized for that. He can view the baby immediately.
 
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Gipper said:
So his ammunition for a custody fight is what? How is a video of the childbirth some sort of "incriminating evidence"?

Out of curiosity, do you actually say these things aloud as you type them? That was laughable.
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would be interesting to follow this couple for the next 18 years to see just who the real asshole is.....
 
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Lursa said:
He can be right outside, like fathers have been for generations. I've never heard them criticized for that. He can view the baby immediately.
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oh please, I've seen plenty of "feminists" criticize men for sitting in the waiting room drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes instead of being in the delivery room.
 
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Gipper said:
So his ammunition for a custody fight is what? How is a video of the childbirth some sort of "incriminating evidence"?

Out of curiosity, do you actually say these things aloud as you type them? That was laughable.
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No...would you want pics of yourself getting assraped posted online? No? Why not?

Have you see videos of births? Not many women want those things exposed to the entire world either.
 
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OscarB63 said:
oh please, I've seen plenty of "feminists" criticize men for sitting in the waiting room drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes instead of being in the delivery room.
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Still a moot point. It cannot be used against him, esp. if he wasnt allowed. That's kind of a duh.

Edit: Oh yes, I have heard that. In the context that the woman was in there doing all the work, in pain, while the men were just standing around. Well they wouldnt be doing anything to save her from work or pain if they were in the delivery room (unwanted) either.

So much for that argument.
 
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OscarB63 said:
would be interesting to follow this couple for the next 18 years to see just who the real asshole is.....
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The guy, of course. Thought we determined this.
 
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OscarB63 said:
would be interesting to follow this couple for the next 18 years to see just who the real asshole is.....
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Probably both are at fault, just like in most breakups.

And it's the kid that will suffer.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
No...would you want pics of yourself getting assraped posted online? No? Why not?

Have you see videos of births? Not many women want those things exposed to the entire world either.
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Assraped?

Wow...can we swap you out for someone who isn't damaged?
 
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Gipper said:
Assraped?

Wow...can we swap you out for someone who isn't damaged?
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I like how everyone has ignored the post where I tried to get the men to place themselves in the woman's place in terms of privacy, vulnerability, and embarrasment.

Complete avoidance. LOL I know it's hard to imagine. To the point of offensive. And that's how a woman could feel, that exposed, to someone she dislikes and distrusts...with a video camera no less!

This shows that some men really have no respect for women and no ability (or desire) to understand what they go thru during labor.
 
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Gipper said:
Assraped?

Wow...can we swap you out for someone who isn't damaged?
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funny isn't it?

now a woman having the father of her child present during child birth is equivalent to a man getting assraped. :lamo
 
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Gipper said:
Assraped?

Wow...can we swap you out for someone who isn't damaged?
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Aren't you the one who calls women he does not know "cum dumpsters"
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
I like how everyone has ignored the post where I tried to get the men to place themselves in the woman's place in terms of privacy, vulnerability, and embarrasment.

Complete avoidance. LOL I know it's hard to imagine. To the point of offensive. And that's how a woman could feel, that exposed, to someone she dislikes and distrusts...with a video camera no less!

This shows that some men really have no respect for women and no ability (or desire) to understand what they go thru during labor.
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I personally would not punish my child or the mother with a tantrum.

Men do things all the time for women - they grit their teeth, force a smile, and do it.

We do that because we're more mature than to use something as punishment or leverage. Men are obviously more mature.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Lursa said:
Still a moot point. It cannot be used against him, esp. if he wasnt allowed. That's kind of a duh.

Edit: Oh yes, I have heard that. In the context that the woman was in there doing all the work, in pain, while the men were just standing around. Well they wouldnt be doing anything to save her from work or pain if they were in the delivery room (unwanted) either.

So much for that argument.
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point being, they were still criticized for not being there. and just because he wasn't allowed doesn't keep her from throwing it in his face. under the circumstances that she could/would throw that in his face, no one there is going to know that he wasn't allowed to be present. and the more he protests, the more defensive and guilty he is going to look.
 
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