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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?


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yep. I've seen female Soldiers get into knock down, drag out, eye scratching, hair pulling brawls all because one of them thought the other was trying to sleep with her "boyfriend".

Holy cow! I've never seen men do that! Well, I guess the hair pulling is tough for guys in the military, lol.
 
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And am I right in assuming that these are adult-age women?

yeah, we're talking 20-25 year olds
 
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omg it just keeps coming.roll:

I didnt see you actually answer it, my bad, I didnt phrase it as a question:

Would you want your daughter taking unnecessary risks and feeling unnecessary pain, mental and physical, just to 'not be mean' to someone she distrusts and dislikes?
 
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Holy cow! I've never seen men do that! Well, I guess the hair pulling is tough for guys in the military, lol.

oh I've seen guys do it too. but usually only if there is some proof/evidence that the other guy actually did something. The cases I'm talking about is females fighting because one of them "talked to" or "flirted with" some guy the other one was interested in.

I had one case where two females were fighting over this guy and when I brought him in for an interview, he was shocked. He wasn't interested in and had never done anything other than talk to either one of them.
 
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whassa matter? you're the one who's getting butthurt when I flip your little scenario around on you.

perfectly fine for you to assume the guy is an asshole. but if someone suggests that it might just be the female's fault, well then, that's "different" and the person making the comment is just butthurt. :laughat:

It was hypothetical and it cant be turned around in the context that I wrote it...I didnt assume he was an asshole, I provided a reason why her privacy in front of someone she distrusts and dislikes (the way I have continually described him)...could be used as a weapon against her.
 
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I didnt see you actually answer it, my bad, I didnt phrase it as a question:

Would you want your daughter taking unnecessary risks and feeling unnecessary pain, mental and physical, just to 'not be mean' to someone she distrusts and dislikes?

and just how is the father simply being in the room going to cause her any additional physical pain?
 
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LOLOLOLOL I just explained exactly why...to the exact same comment. What part wasnt crystal clear, besides the fact you just dont like it?

Laugh and use whatever hyperbole you want, but my opinion remains the same. Any woman that denies the father access to the delivery room is not much of a woman.
 
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It was hypothetical and it cant be turned around in the context that I wrote it...I didnt assume he was an asshole, I provided a reason why her privacy in front of someone she distrusts and dislikes (the way I have continually described him)...could be used as a weapon against her.

IOW, you are butthurt because someone disagrees with your hypothetical and you don't like it.... thanks for clearing that up.


please explain how him being present during the birth could later be used as a weapon against her. what? during a custody hearing the guy is going to stand up and yell, "I saw your ***** while you were giving birth"? and just what would the point of that be?
 
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Laugh and use whatever hyperbole you want, but my opinion remains the same. Any woman that denies the father access to the delivery room is not much of a woman.

and any man that refuses to be in the delivery room is not much of a man.
 
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Lotta butt hurt men in this thread, that's for sure. Henrin's had the crap beat out of him in family court....is that your problem too? If so, start another thread.

Ah..no, I didn't. I was never taken to family court.
 
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I didnt see you actually answer it, my bad, I didnt phrase it as a question:

Would you want your daughter taking unnecessary risks and feeling unnecessary pain, mental and physical, just to 'not be mean' to someone she distrusts and dislikes?
I raised my daughter to never be a doormat but with rights comes responsibility. She waited till she was married to have children. And she was real selective in her choice of a mate. They work as a team. They have had 4 children together and he was very much part of all their births. He was very much a part of all the poopy diapers throw up and feedings that followed too. I guess you could say I taught my daughter how to avoid mental stress in the choices she makes.
 
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-- if she thinks having him in the delivery room is stressful then how is she going to handle visitation of the child for the years to come? --

For visitation/contact the mother doesn't even have to be there, she can have contact agreed through a third party or even at a contact centre. You should know by this point that she has no choice of whether to be at her birth or not.

I'll have to be sure to remember this post the next time I am debating a military issue with someone who has never served. ;)

I served and I wouldn't use that as an argument for the right of a father to be at his child's birth. You can't equate the two.

Traumatize. LOL!

Yeah, trauma - you've obviously never heard of trauma in childbirth I suppose which is why you can't see the problem with a hostile father being present at a child's birth
 
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Yeah, trauma - you've obviously never heard of trauma in childbirth I suppose which is why you can't see the problem with a hostile father being present at a child's birth

If he's in there bossing her around, cussing her out, physically assaulting her, etc. I say throw him out. If he's there relatively quiet with a camcorder, equating that with trauma is just plain foolish.
 
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I raised my daughter to never be a doormat but with rights comes responsibility. She waited till she was married to have children. And she was real selective in her choice of a mate. They work as a team. They have had 4 children together and he was very much part of all their births. He was very much a part of all the poopy diapers throw up and feedings that followed too. I guess you could say I taught my daughter how to avoid mental stress in the choices she makes.

That's nice. It's not an answer to the question, and it's not even relevant, but it's nice.
 
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I served and I wouldn't use that as an argument for the right of a father to be at his child's birth. You can't equate the two.

you misunderstand. I am not comparing military service to child birth. I am condemning the idea of "if you haven't done it yourself, you can't talk about it".

IF a woman can tell a man he has no right to talk about child birth because "he can only imagine it". Then a veteran can tell a non-vet that he/she has no right to talk about the military because they can only imagine it.
 
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If he's in there bossing her around, cussing her out, physically assaulting her, etc. I say throw him out. If he's there relatively quiet with a camcorder, equating that with trauma is just plain foolish.

bazinga....
 
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and just how is the father simply being in the room going to cause her any additional physical pain?

I've explained that many times in the thread, as have others. Also, physical pain is not the only consideration.

After all, he's not making *his* case based on physical pain she's causing him, is he?
 
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IOW, you are butthurt because someone disagrees with your hypothetical and you don't like it.... thanks for clearing that up.


please explain how him being present during the birth could later be used as a weapon against her. what? during a custody hearing the guy is going to stand up and yell, "I saw your ***** while you were giving birth"? and just what would the point of that be?

???? Her *****? She's bleeding, screaming, sometimes ****ting herself and often afraid.

No woman should have to share that with someone she distrusts and dislikes....he can throw it in her face, metaphorically of course, anytime. No one wants to share that with someone they are not safe and intimate with.

How disrespectful to ask that of a woman that doesnt wish to share it. Ugh.
 
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Laugh and use whatever hyperbole you want, but my opinion remains the same. Any woman that denies the father access to the delivery room is not much of a woman.

Repeating it...again...doesnt make it so.

But you can again if you like.
 
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Ah..no, I didn't. I was never taken to family court.

Oh where ever it is where they do custody and child support.
 
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Repeating it...again...doesnt make it so.

But you can again if you like.

When you quoted what you said earlier you didn't make your case any stronger either.
 
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If he's in there bossing her around, cussing her out, physically assaulting her, etc. I say throw him out. If he's there relatively quiet with a camcorder, equating that with trauma is just plain foolish.

A camcorder?

The fact that ANYONE thinks someone should be able to video someone against their wishes...especially something as private as this....is nuts. That is completely wrong.
 
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Oh where ever it is where they do custody and child support.

I was never taken to court period. We didn't need the court to intervene.
 
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When you quoted what you said earlier you didn't make your case any stronger either.

Yes but I gave solid reasons....you're just pissed they're true.

No worries, I dont care about changing your mind.
 
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A camcorder?

The fact that ANYONE thinks someone should be able to video someone against their wishes...especially something as private as this....is nuts. That is completely wrong.

All about the woman. Always.

God, the ego.
 
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