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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?

  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 35 63.6%

  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • I Love Chicken Parm

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Total voters
    55
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American said:
I'm saying there could be a paternity suit to follow.
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Not sure there is any such thing anymore...the man is not 'charged' for any costs previous to the birth of the child. Paternity suits involved proving the lineage of the child and taking the father to court to make him pay child support. That's easily settled now with DNA testing.

Today, if a woman applies for any public assistance, the state or county automatically goes after the biological father for child support (whether she likes it or not)....but that is only for child support...there is nothing for pre-natal, hospitalization, birthing, etc...only *after*the child is born.
 
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year2late said:
Increased stress increased hypertension, delayed delivery....look up strokes and perinatal hypertension and you can see what happens.

There would be no stats. Because most men know better than to stress out the mother of the child she is trying to deliver. Most men.

Seriously, this is not rocket science.
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It's not science at all. Women are not made out of glass, most women around the planet deliver babies while they are working, bundle them up, and then go about their business. But then there is not money in it that way.

 
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Being in the delivery room is way overrated IMO.

In 1985 when my first child was born I held her hand during throes of labor and she dislocated my pinky finger at the middle knuckle and it swelled up to about the size of a ****ing golf ball.

Hold her hand?

Unless she insists, opt out.
 
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Lursa said:
That's almost like saying..."I already had sex with her, so now I can anytime I want." to legitimize rape.

Does a woman have a right to her body and privacy or not?
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Hi Lursa, though my comment was on the absurd side, so is the argument about someone seeing her "private parts". Everyone in the room can see them and at that point in a delivery, you could care less who is looking. We are discussing a woman who is obviously not too bright as she engaged in a sexual relationship with no commitment and on top of that most likely wasn't using birth control responsibly. The couple obviously had a breakup during the pregnancy. The father didn't take a hike which would have been the easy thing to do, but instead wanted to be there for the birth of his child and took it to court to fight for that right. Now that there is a baby involved, hopefully the two can work out their differences for the sake of the child.
 
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vesper said:
Hi Lursa, though my comment was on the absurd side, so is the argument about someone seeing her "private parts". Everyone in the room can see them and at that point in a delivery, you could care less who is looking. We are discussing a woman who is obviously not too bright as she engaged in a sexual relationship with no commitment and on top of that most likely wasn't using birth control responsibly. The couple obviously had a breakup during the pregnancy. The father didn't take a hike which would have been the easy thing to do, but instead wanted to be there for the birth of his child and took it to court to fight for that right. Now that there is a baby involved, hopefully the two can work out their differences for the sake of the child.
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I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Gipper, based solely on your wording, "His right to his child trumps her "right to privacy", I thought I'd post the following. It's a different reporting source. Just thought your claim was an interesting perspective regarding "right to privacy".



Fathers in the delivery room: New Jersey judge rules that a mother can block the father from attending their child’s birth.

So maybe in this situation the "right to privacy" angle isn't the correct mother's interests?
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It's the law speaking out of both sides of its mouth. Let's put it this way - if a woman is 9 months pregnant and she is killed by someone with intent, that person goes on trial for two counts of murder. Is a "partial birth abortion" legal? I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all 50 states these days (not to mention being a gruesome procedure, I've heard). After a certain point, the fetus is no longer the woman's "possession", but an individual unto himself/herself. It is considered a human being, by law.

They just don't want to recognize that because, well, it's just a father. Not like they really matter.
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
It's not science at all. Women are not made out of glass, most women around the planet deliver babies while they are working, bundle them up, and then go about their business. But then there is not money in it that way.

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And because it's a good idea to be safe rather than sorry. A lot of complications can occur within the first couple of days after a delivery. For example, after I delivered my son, I was internally bleeding and nobody knew until I started to display symptoms. If I had been at home by myself, I could have bled to death and died.
 
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ChrisL said:
I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.
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Pointing out she allowed herself to be involved in a sexual relationship without commitment and that she allowed herself to get pregnant are fair points to make in evaluating her character. Weren't you one of the folks earlier made the assumption that the father's only reason for taking it to court was a selfish one and didn't have a problem painting him as a real jerk? It didn't seem to cross your mind that he felt like he was being robbed something he dearly wanted to be a part of as the father of his child? Not all men care to be, some very much want to be present. Legally she had the right to kick him in the gut and deny him but like someone said earlier, a paternity suit may likely follow. After all, if she would deny him to see his child born knowing it was very important to him, there's a good chance she wouldn't be real willing to allow him visitation unless forced to.
 
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vesper said:
Pointing out she allowed herself to be involved in a sexual relationship without commitment and that she allowed herself to get pregnant are fair points to make in evaluating her character. Weren't you one of the folks earlier made the assumption that the father's only reason for taking it to court was a selfish one and didn't have a problem painting him as a real jerk? It didn't seem to cross your mind that he felt like he was being robbed something he dearly wanted to be a part of as the father of his child? Not all men care to be, some very much want to be present. Legally she had the right to kick him in the gut and deny him but like someone said earlier, a paternity suit may likely follow. After all, if she would deny him to see his child born knowing it was very important to him, there's a good chance she wouldn't be real willing to allow him visitation unless forced to.
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Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.
 
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This thread makes me want to remove the rights of the father, married and on good terms with the mother or not, from being allowed to live in the house with the family.
 
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ChrisL said:
Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.
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But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.
 
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vesper said:
But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.
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Okay, that doesn't mean that the woman feels comfortable with him being present with her during the delivery of said child. The two things are unrelated. He has EVERY opportunity to be a good father.
 
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vesper said:
But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.
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You know who else that could describe? Stalkers and obsessive ex boyfriends. Just sayin', it's not that cut and dried.
 
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Cardinal said:
You know who else that could describe? Stalkers and obsessive ex boyfriends. Just sayin', it's not that cut and dried.
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That's true. Just because he "wants" to be present, doesn't mean his intentions are good. And I have a hard time believing that they are when he is trying to force his way in there against her will and filing a lawsuit over it. THAT doesn't sound like someone who cares but more like someone who is PUSHING himself upon a person.
 
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ChrisL said:
Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.
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Wait, wait, wait...if he wants to be part, it's her child, but if he wants to skip, it's their child?
 
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Cardinal said:
This thread makes me want to remove the rights of the father, married and on good terms with the mother or not, from being allowed to live in the house with the family.
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Too late.
 
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Cardinal said:
You know who else that could describe? Stalkers and obsessive ex boyfriends. Just sayin', it's not that cut and dried.
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Maybe, but from all we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest that. The only thing the man seems interested in is the child.
 
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Gipper said:
Wait, wait, wait...if he wants to be part, it's her child, but if he wants to skip, it's their child?
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What don't you understand about nature and how women become pregnant? What don't you understand about it being HER body that is taking all the risk and getting beat up? Not his body. He CAN walk away unscathed. She CANNOT. Do you understand that concept?
 
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vesper said:
Maybe, but from all we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest that. The only thing the man seems interested in is the child.
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IF he was interested in the child, then he would NOT have filed a lawsuit against the mother of the child.
 
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ChrisL said:
What don't you understand about nature and how women become pregnant? What don't you understand about it being HER body that is taking all the risk and getting beat up? Not his body. He CAN walk away unscathed. She CANNOT. Do you understand that concept?
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He could slip and fall in the nursery, dying of cranial hemorrhage. Your point?
 
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vesper said:
Maybe, but from all we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest that. The only thing the man seems interested in is the child.
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And since "nothing" is what we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest he's not. There is also no reason not to assume that he did this purely to spite the mother.

You're walking in a shopping mall and hear a couple arguing, and the woman raises her voice angrily. Is the woman a bitch, or did the man do a gigantic asshole thing?
 
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Gipper said:
He could slip and fall in the nursery, dying of cranial hemorrhage. Your point?
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This does not invalidate my point. Face it, life is not fair. Whoever told you it was, was lying. It's just as much your responsibility to not impregnate a woman (even if that means NOT having sex with her to begin with), as it is hers to protect herself from becoming pregnant. She just happens to be the one who has to bear the biggest burden of that pregnancy.

The reason why we have child support is so that men cannot just walk away from their part of the responsibility and leave it all on the woman OR, even worse, on the rest of society to care for the child/children. The man MUST take on some responsibility for his actions as well. In an ideal world, everything would be "fair" but that's not how it is. Get over it.
 
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ChrisL said:
This does not invalidate my point. Face it, life is not fair. Whoever told you it was, was lying. It's just as much your responsibility to not impregnate a woman (even if that means NOT having sex with her to begin with), as it is hers to protect herself from becoming pregnant. She just happens to be the one who has to bear the biggest burden of that pregnancy.

The reason why we have child support is so that men cannot just walk away from their part of the responsibility and leave it all on the woman OR, even worse, on the rest of society to care for the child/children. The man MUST take on some responsibility for his actions as well. In an ideal world, everything would be "fair" but that's not how it is. Get over it.
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Okay then. How about women relegate themselves to just giving blowjobs? No accidental pregnancies, saves money on rubbers, and if you get her comfortable kneepads you can still watch SportsCenter.

If you're down for that, I'll concede every point you just made.
 
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ChrisL said:
IF he was interested in the child, then he would NOT have filed a lawsuit against the mother of the child.
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The event of his child being born must have meant a great deal to him. She had to have known that. She said no, he got pissed, filed a suit, was denied.
 
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Gipper said:
Okay then. How about women relegate themselves to just giving blowjobs? No accidental pregnancies, saves money on rubbers, and if you get her comfortable kneepads you can still watch SportsCenter.

If you're down for that, I'll concede every point you just made.
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Who's to say some women don't do that? :lol: There are ALL kinds out there. Some weirdos are even into "body condoms," so I'm sure those women exist. Personally, I like to have some pleasure out of my sex life too. WTH?! I think your perfect match would be a blow-up doll, seriously. :2razz:
 
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