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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?

  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 35 63.6%

  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • I Love Chicken Parm

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Total voters
    55
Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

Del Zeppnile said:
Since the topic asks the question about "rights" I believe that every human has a right to be present during the birth of their human offspring, including the father.
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what "right" is that?
is it in the constitution?
in a law?


what right are you referring to that you think should violate the factual rights of the woman?

no such right exists but you are free to feel it should even without any logical, legal or factual support.
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
Which sort of begs the question of how someone that smart can be that dumb? As Judge Judy would say, "YOU PICKED HIM LADY NOW DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES!" (the shouting is Judge Judy, not me-- lol)
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That's too nonsensical to even be a sentence.
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
So a colon is equal to a human being?
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Your debate style is not actually debate....instead you try to guide discussion away from anything you cannot deal with.

I have dealt with this in the past, and feel the need to dismiss you as a waste of time.


Goodbye.
 
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American said:
The fact of the matter is that men have virturally no control at all. Men are generally made to feel that they have no rights when it comes to children. There are even some women who are now promoting the idea that men aren't even necessary for procreation itself. So let's not pretend that in the world of procreation that women are the victims because men are about to become the masters of the universe. It's not even remotely close to being true by a light year.
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Perhaps some men feel as if they have no rights when it comes to raising their children, but I personally believe that is the exception, not the rule. Children need both parents, although that doesn't always happen. Not all men feel any responsibility at all toward their children; most do, however.

Raising children is different than giving birth to them. That is the mother's responsibility... completely. Sorry, but it's true. Until that baby is delivered, its health, well-being, and life itself is on mom. Sorry if that offends you, but that's basically nature's fault, not the fault of women. :shrug:
 
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DiAnna said:
Perhaps some men feel as if they have no rights when it comes to raising their children, but I personally believe that is the exception, not the rule. Children need both parents, although that doesn't always happen. Not all men feel any responsibility at all toward their children; most do, however.

Raising children is different than giving birth to them. That is the mother's responsibility... completely. Sorry, but it's true. Until that baby is delivered, its health, well-being, and life itself is on mom. Sorry if that offends you, but that's basically nature's fault, not the fault of women. :shrug:
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I've had kids and been part of it all the way (including the delivery room/OR), you can't offend me, sorry that offends you. But as long as the father can be held financially responsible for whatever the mother does, the situation is completely unequal. That's a fact, sorry that offends you. :shrug:
 
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Cardinal said:
The difference between your position and mine appears to be microscopic at best.
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I suspect it is the same actually at least on any important level.
 
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TheGirlNextDoor said:
It's his child too!

What the HELL......!?
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Did he carry it for 9 months? Is his life on the line? His privacy?

Let's make it really FAIR.....he gets to be in the delivery room no matter what...if he has to suffer everything she does during pregnancy...how's that?

Not fair, right? That's the thing about biology...it's not fair. Laws cant make it 'fair.' THat's not even the purpose of laws.
 
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Gipper said:
It's nice to know that so many people here still believe in slavery.

The baby isn't a person. It's a possession.

It's not their baby. It's her baby.
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Nah, once it's born they are both stuck with it.
 
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vesper said:
We have these things called mirrors, you may have heard of them. As far as seeing her private parts, his already plowed that territory.
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That's almost like saying..."I already had sex with her, so now I can anytime I want." to legitimize rape.

Does a woman have a right to her body and privacy or not?
 
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Van Basten said:
Why would he not be able to see his own child? Unless he's some sort of criminal offender, he should have the right to see HIS child.
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Nobody said he couldnt see the kid.
 
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AGENT J said:
[h=1]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/judge-says-pregnant-women-can-bar-fathers-delivery/nfCPd/



So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?[/h]Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.
Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldn't.
No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.
No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.
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Well he does not nor do i think he should.

Dont get me wrong, i see why and how this could be emotional and i understand how it can be perceived as mean or sad but the bottom line is its the women going through a medical issue. She gets to control the room and her privacy, if she doesnt want somebody in the room, even the father thats her right.
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I think he has the right to see the baby as soon as it is born.As far as I know humans are not like geese,so the father can wait until the baby is completely out of the mother's womb before seeing the baby..
 
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Henrin said:
I love comments like yours. The child is clearly both of theirs throughout the entire pregnancy. It can be no other way.
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Really? Did he suffer morning sickness? Miss his college classes due to sickness? Miss out on a promotion at work because of sickness or exhaustion? Did he get gestational diabetes? Hemmeroids the size of grapes? High blood pressure? Did he pay ANY of her medical bills?
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
When you say "colonoscopy" do you mean when they stick a camera up your backside, or do you mean it as a euphemism for the birth of a child that the parent wanted to be present for?

How is colonoscopy equal to that?
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Maybe you shoved her engagement ring up there...after you stole it when you broke off the engagement. Sell that nasty thing for some real cashola!
 
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American said:
The fact of the matter is that men have virturally no control at all. Men are generally made to feel that they have no rights when it comes to children. There are even some women who are now promoting the idea that men aren't even necessary for procreation itself. So let's not pretend that in the world of procreation that women are the victims because men are about to become the masters of the universe. It's not even remotely close to being true by a light year.
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Hey, if men are so weak they look at it that way and it affects their self-esteem...boo hoo.

Men controlled women for millenia. Through biology: strength and a woman's vulnerability during pregnancy and raising children.

So boo hoo hoo when biology works in our favor after actual civilization and technology step in.
 
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jamesrage said:
1.)I think he has the right to see the baby as soon as it is born.
2.)As far as I know humans are not like geese,so the father can wait until the baby is completely out of the mother's womb before seeing the baby..
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1.) I basically agree as soon as she allows him to come in he can or as soon as the baby can be deemed healthy and moved to another room if hers isnt ready yet then of course
2.) exactly there will be no impact
 
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tecoyah said:
Birth~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Colonoscopy~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Get It!
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Not only that, there is insane pain and the very real possibility of death. Not only that, but it *feels* like you're dying....that fear is very real.

Who needs an asshole ex there for that (even if it's just the way she perceives it)?
 
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Gipper said:
His right to his child trumps her "right" to privacy.
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Oh he's getting the kid...at least 50%. Just not the birth viewing rights.
 
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American said:
I've had kids and been part of it all the way (including the delivery room/OR), you can't offend me, sorry that offends you. But as long as the father can be held financially responsible for whatever the mother does, the situation is completely unequal. That's a fact, sorry that offends you. :shrug:
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:shock: I wasn't trying to offend you at all. I was only referring to the act of childbirth itself, which frankly the mother does on her own, with requested support of a spouse/SO/family member or without, which is her choice. Raising children after they're born is entirely different, as I have already indicated.

I believe parents should share child-rearing equally. It doesn't always work out that way, unfortunately, but again, all this takes place after the birth.
 
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Gipper said:
If the father of the child being there is such an intense experience that it adversely affects the woman's procedure, that kid should just hope to be birthed stillborn. He's going to have a crappy life with a crappier mother.

If I was having an appendicitis attack and Hitler was 5 feet away, I'd never notice him.
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If you had appendicitis attack, you would not be forced to stay awake and push it out of any orifice.

Hitler would not be visible to you because you would be unconscious.
 
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Del Zeppnile said:
Do you have facts that prove that having a father in the room increases the chances of birth complications?

Statistics please?
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Increased stress increased hypertension, delayed delivery....look up strokes and perinatal hypertension and you can see what happens.

There would be no stats. Because most men know better than to stress out the mother of the child she is trying to deliver. Most men.

Seriously, this is not rocket science.
 
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American said:
I've had kids and been part of it all the way (including the delivery room/OR), you can't offend me, sorry that offends you. But as long as the father can be held financially responsible for whatever the mother does, the situation is completely unequal. That's a fact, sorry that offends you. :shrug:
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Are you saying the father (assuming unmarried) is financially responsible for any part of the pregnancy and childbirth??
 
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Gipper said:
His right to his child trumps her "right" to privacy.
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Gipper, based solely on your wording, "His right to his child trumps her "right to privacy", I thought I'd post the following. It's a different reporting source. Just thought your claim was an interesting perspective regarding "right to privacy".

"Judge Rules That a Mother’s Rights Trump the Father’s in the Delivery Room"

A New Jersey judge said no last November, in a ruling that was released in writing earlier this week. “Any interest a father has before the child’s birth is subordinate to the mother’s interest,” Judge Sohail Mohammed wrote.
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Fathers in the delivery room: New Jersey judge rules that a mother can block the father from attending their child’s birth.

So maybe in this situation the "right to privacy" angle isn't the correct mother's interests?
 
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The trouble with this sort of situation is that there's no simple rule to make. Each situation is unique. Without prior arrangements, there really is no way for the mother not to have the right to control the situation when she is giving birth. The rights of one parent or another towards born children is always a complex and messy situation. Each one really must be evaluated on its merits, but the rights of the child should trump the parents' every time.

Also chicken parm is great!
 
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Paschendale said:
The trouble with this sort of situation is that there's no simple rule to make. Each situation is unique. Without prior arrangements, there really is no way for the mother not to have the right to control the situation when she is giving birth. The rights of one parent or another towards born children is always a complex and messy situation. Each one really must be evaluated on its merits, but the rights of the child should trump the parents' every time.

Also chicken parm is great!
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Well, that's the deal..."born child". Until there is actually a birth there is no official child. Once a child is on the ground, then "interests" is a different legal matter. And as you've alluded to...complex, possibly messy, lots of variables.
 
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year2late said:
Are you saying the father (assuming unmarried) is financially responsible for any part of the pregnancy and childbirth??
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I'm saying there could be a paternity suit to follow.
 
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