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Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room?

So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?

  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    Votes: 35 63.6%

  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 12.7%

  • I Love Chicken Parm

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Total voters
    55
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tecoyah said:
Hola polgara.....and NO you would not wish to be there....hell, I didn't want to be either.
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:lamo: ... :thumbs: My husband, after the surgery, did agree with you...although it was his idea in the first place! He warned me that he just might not be home on time one night in the future, but he did grin when he said it! Good man! :lol:
 
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Gathomas88 said:
Screw that. :lol:
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It's something I would rather not take part in, myself. However, I think it would be a little odd to tell my wife, "Hey babe, I'd stay here with you, but this is totally gross so I'm going to be outside playing Candy Crush til this is over. Love ya!"
 
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vesper said:
Well someone who wanted to be present at the birth and was willing to take it to court for the privilege, doesn't sound like someone who will abandon his child. But those child support payments will ensure he has every right to be a part of the child's life and the woman will just have to deal with it.
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Absolutely true, and I hope that kid knows what a great father they're going to have.

Wish I could say the same for the mom.
 
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Cardinal said:
It's something I would rather not take part in, myself. However, I think it would be a little odd to tell my wife, "Hey babe, I'd stay here with you, but this is totally gross so I'm going to be outside playing Candy Crush til this is over. Love ya!"
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I was speaking more specifically to the subject of vasectomy. It'll be a cold day in Hell before anybody comes at my crotch with a knife. :lol:

However, I do agree with you regarding childbirth as well. While I would want to be there for support during the delivery, if the scalpel, surgical scissors, or forceps come out, and it is legitimately justifiable on medical grounds and something she consents to, I'd likely have to position myself so that I couldn't see it.

Like Tucker said, some of that crap just can't be unseen. Dealing with the fall out of her recovery is going to be taxing enough without having to become acquainted with the gruesome details of the procedure itself.
 
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Cardinal said:
The mother determining who can be in the room is the result of a number of privacy laws. As a libertarian, don't you approve of systems that protect your privacy?
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His right to his child trumps her "right" to privacy.
 
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Gipper said:
Absolutely true, and I hope that kid knows what a great father they're going to have.

Wish I could say the same for the mom.
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The mom would absolutely be better for the child. She is, after all, college educated with a Masters, magna cum laude and has a six figure paying job, while the father has gambling debts and drug addiction. Sorry, it's no contest.
 
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Gipper said:
His right to his child trumps her "right" to privacy.
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Her right to comfort during a painful and stressful medical procedure trumps his right to see his baby pop out.

Oh, and he'll have his child, but you knew that already.
 
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Cardinal said:
The mom would absolutely be better for the child. She is, after all, college educated with a Masters, magna cum laude and has a six figure paying job, while the father has gambling debts and drug addiction. Sorry, it's no contest.
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If those descriptions were reversed, would it matter?
 
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Gipper said:
If those descriptions were reversed, would it matter?
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Uh....yeah?
 
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Cardinal said:
Uh....yeah?
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So if he was a model human being and she was walking trash, he would have more rights?

Historically, in court, you'd be dead wrong. Just so ya know.
 
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Gipper said:
So if he was a model human being and she was walking trash, he would have more rights?

Historically, in court, you'd be dead wrong. Just so ya know.
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Well, we are talking about after the birth here (at least I am). And I would say that if he was a model human being and she was broken in just about every important way, then that should absolutely be taken into account during a child custody hearing.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well, we are talking about after the birth here (at least I am). And I would say that if he was a model human being and she was broken in just about every important way, then that should absolutely be taken into account during a child custody hearing.
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You're right. It should.
 
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Gipper said:
You're right. It should.
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How do you even know what the stats are on that? I don't even know what kind of google search I'd have to do to find the number of unqualified mothers being given custody of the child.
 
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Cardinal said:
How do you even know what the stats are on that? I don't even know what kind of google search I'd have to do to find the number of unqualified mothers being given custody of the child.
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It's hard to quantify exactly because it's so subjective, but it's widely known and believed that men get screwed in situations involving kids.

This is why organizations like A.D.A.M. exist (American Divorce Association for Men).
 
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American said:
No he didn't, he's not a doctor. He ruled on the law, and it was about privacy. They'd have to do an evaluation to prove that the husband in the room was causing mental/physical suffering.
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And I think the law is wrong and it should be as I stated. If I were king for a day I would make it so
 
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Cardinal said:
Well, let's just say, purely for the sake of argument, that women are preventing fathers by the tens of thousands from being allowed into the delivery room, and not this one isolated case that's causing certain people to flip the ever loving hell out. The problem is, is there really the time, manpower and resources to do a mental and medical evaluation for every woman about to go into labor in order to determine if the father being present would be a cause for concern? Privacy laws are much tidier and, in my opinion much less dehumanizing than being forced to argue that someone shouldn't be in the delivery room with them. Personally, if I were about to undergo surgery, I wouldn't want to have to defend my claims that my exgirlfriend shouldn't be in the operating room with me because she makes me uncomfortable. Why should her insistence on being there suddenly be my problem?
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The evaluation would be "do you want this person here?" If she didn't it can be assumed that letting him would cause her distress. No need to make it complicated.
 
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Gipper said:
Absolutely true, and I hope that kid knows what a great father they're going to have.

Wish I could say the same for the mom.
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The whole story is really sad. It appears to me the guy was really looking forward to being a father and had already fallen in love with the child before it was born and wanted to be there from the very beginning even if it took a court order. Yes, here's hoping the child gets to know its dad. But considering the mother's reaction, I wouldn't put money on it. She had to know how much being at the birth meant to him and if that was an "issue" for her, cripe sakes how is she going to be able to handle visitation?
 
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ChrisL said:
I agree, that in some cases, there is a bias.

However, as many have pointed out, I believe that is starting to change. Change doesn't occur overnight, and as we discussed earlier, there were reasons for such bias back in the "olden days." Usually the moms stayed home with the kids and the dads worked. Now that family dynamics are changing, so are the results of custody battles.

Of course we will always have those more "traditional" type judges that believe the child belongs with the mother no matter what, but I know of several men who have full custody of their children, and statistics also show a change.
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It's a lot better than it was 30 to 40 years ago, so we have improved some, but there's still the bias out there.
 
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tacomancer said:
And I think the law is wrong and it should be as I stated. If I were king for a day I would make it so
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Nanny nanny booboo
 
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tecoyah said:
Birth~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Colonoscopy~ The patient is exposed (both physically and emotionally), while undergoing a very personal and delicate medical procedure, and thus must be allowed the right of privacy.

Get It!
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So a colon is equal to a human being?
 
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tacomancer said:
The evaluation would be "do you want this person here?" If she didn't it can be assumed that letting him would cause her distress. No need to make it complicated.
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The difference between your position and mine appears to be microscopic at best.
 
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Since the topic asks the question about "rights" I believe that every human has a right to be present during the birth of their human offspring, including the father.
 
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Cardinal said:
Then you're not good with privacy laws, because those laws are what gave her the right to block him from the room.
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100% correct
 
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Cardinal said:
The mom would absolutely be better for the child. She is, after all, college educated with a Masters, magna cum laude and has a six figure paying job, while the father has gambling debts and drug addiction. Sorry, it's no contest.
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Which sort of begs the question of how someone that smart can be that dumb? As Judge Judy would say, "YOU PICKED HIM LADY NOW DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES!" (the shouting is Judge Judy, not me-- lol)
 
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