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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Perhaps, but you have to be fair and consider the other side's argument.



    Mothers can block dads from delivery rooms, New Jersey judge rules | syracuse.com

    He's kind of got a point there, DA60. Why are they only allowing the mother in the delivery room?
    It hasn't been all that long ago that most women gave birth at home and not uncommon to have dad right there helping in the delivery. Today it is called a "medical procedure". By the 1940's, about half of deliveries were done in the hospital. But with the increase of hospital births came the increase in complaints from fathers and mothers on the isolated delivery process. The woman was admitted, taken to a room where she was shaved, given an enema and placed in a labor room often left alone for long periods of time until ready to give birth. If anything would cause undo stress, it would be that scenario feeling completely isolated. So the policies in hospitals allowing fathers into the labor room/delivery room started changing clear back in the 40's in a big part because of how men felt about being forced to sit it out in a waiting room. I do see an ever growing erosion of men's rights when it pertains to anything to do with a pregnancy that they were a part in creating.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Yes if they're married or engaged to be married with the exception if they're in divorce proceedings...

    If they're not, then only with the consent of the mother.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Yes of course because delivering a baby is sort of like delivering a gallon jug of nitroglycerine, if any little thing is not perfectly in place with the dozen skilled professionals in the room, and a birth could easily end up disaster. Dead mother, dead baby, dead people everywhere.

    Yep, that is exactly how births are all around the world--- and for tens of thousands of years-- if a mother is even slightly annoyed, then a successful birth just doesn't happen.
    Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?

    And are you saying that the healthy birth of the child should not be the ONLY consideration? Yes or no, please?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    One is left to wonder how many times you have given birth, or even been in the room for one?

    I was the midwife for two of my three children (just my ex and myself)....and can tell you from experience that between the blood, and the cord around my sons neck, it is indeed a dangerous experience.
    Been in the room for three deliveries, so I'm not exactly without any experience. My mother was also a labor and delivery nurse (RN- registered nurse) for 25 years, so I've heard a boatload of stories, but don't even ask me what her opinion is of 'midwives' is.

    But allow me to ask you this: based on your vast experience is a nuchal cord (umbilical cord around the neck) caused by a father being in the room? Just curious?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?
    Do you have facts that prove that having a father in the room increases the chances of birth complications?

    Statistics please?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Do you have facts that prove that having a father in the room increases the chances of birth complications?

    Statistics please?
    Additional:

    Approved by the BabyCentre Medical Advisory Board

    'Why do I need to relax in labour?

    Being relaxed in labour offers lots of benefits. Your body will work better if you're relaxed. The hormones that will help your labour to progress, and those which help you to cope with labour, will be released more readily. This means you'll have more energy for your baby's birth, and your baby may cope better with labour.

    The main hormone that helps you to labour effectively is called oxytocin. It shapes the frequency, length and strength of your contractions, and works best if you feel calm, safe and relaxed. It's sometimes called the hormone of love, labour and lactation, because it's involved in each of these parts of our lives.

    As your labour gets stronger, your body will produce higher levels of endorphins, known as the feel-good hormones. These are your body's natural opiates, which alleviate pain, and will help you to cope with your contractions. They can also regulate the strength of your labour, slowing things down when it gets too intense.

    Endorphins can also alter your perception of time and help you to zone out from what's going on around you, which is no bad thing for labour.
    What happens if I feel stressed?

    It's natural to feel a bit anxious. But if you feel very stressed it can interfere with your labour. Stress and anxiety make your body produce fight-or-flight hormones, such as adrenaline. These stress hormones may:
    Reduce blood flow to your uterus (womb).
    Suppress the release of oxytocin.
    Slow your first stage of labour down.

    Whenever you feel stressed and anxious your muscles tense up. If that tension isn't released, and goes on for too long, you'll become tired and will waste precious resources.

    Keeping stress hormones at bay during early labour will encourage your body to produce more oxytocin and help your labour to progress.

    Staying relaxed means your muscles are loose, making it easier for you to breathe more rhythmically. This allows you and your baby get more oxygen.'

    Relaxation in labour - BabyCentre


    And the above was just from a quick Google on the subject.

    So...once again...

    Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?

    And are you saying that the healthy birth of the child should not be the ONLY consideration? Yes or no, please?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    As soon as you answer my INCREDIBLY simple questions - I will be pleased to answer yours.

    But I am guessing the former will not be any time soon.


    Good day.
    Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

    My point was that you have zero ability to prove that the mere presence of a unwanted person in the room during a delivery barring any prior indication of high blood pressure or other verifiable medical history with the mother, is nothing but sheer speculation on your part. If you have facts to the contrary, the burden is on you to provide them.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Additional:

    Approved by the BabyCentre Medical Advisory Board

    'Why do I need to relax in labour?

    Being relaxed in labour offers lots of benefits. Your body will work better if you're relaxed. The hormones that will help your labour to progress, and those which help you to cope with labour, will be released more readily. This means you'll have more energy for your baby's birth, and your baby may cope better with labour.

    The main hormone that helps you to labour effectively is called oxytocin. It shapes the frequency, length and strength of your contractions, and works best if you feel calm, safe and relaxed. It's sometimes called the hormone of love, labour and lactation, because it's involved in each of these parts of our lives.

    As your labour gets stronger, your body will produce higher levels of endorphins, known as the feel-good hormones. These are your body's natural opiates, which alleviate pain, and will help you to cope with your contractions. They can also regulate the strength of your labour, slowing things down when it gets too intense.

    Endorphins can also alter your perception of time and help you to zone out from what's going on around you, which is no bad thing for labour.
    What happens if I feel stressed?

    It's natural to feel a bit anxious. But if you feel very stressed it can interfere with your labour. Stress and anxiety make your body produce fight-or-flight hormones, such as adrenaline. These stress hormones may:
    Reduce blood flow to your uterus (womb).
    Suppress the release of oxytocin.
    Slow your first stage of labour down.

    Whenever you feel stressed and anxious your muscles tense up. If that tension isn't released, and goes on for too long, you'll become tired and will waste precious resources.

    Keeping stress hormones at bay during early labour will encourage your body to produce more oxytocin and help your labour to progress.

    Staying relaxed means your muscles are loose, making it easier for you to breathe more rhythmically. This allows you and your baby get more oxygen.'

    Relaxation in labour - BabyCentre


    And the above was just from a quick Google on the subject.

    So...once again...

    Are you saying that having a father in the room during delivery - against the mother's wishes - will increase the chances of birth problems by zero percent? Yes or no, please?

    And are you saying that the healthy birth of the child should not be the ONLY consideration? Yes or no, please?
    Seriously? You are going to use a google search to a site that makes money from baby product advertisements as your scholarly proof?

    Thanks for the chuckle.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Answer mine and I'll answer yours.

    My point was that you have zero ability to prove that the mere presence of a unwanted person in the room during a delivery barring any prior indication of high blood pressure or other verifiable medical history with the mother, is nothing but sheer speculation on your part. If you have facts to the contrary, the burden is on you to provide them.
    1) See directly above your post. It's not a poll...but it's from a medical advisory board. IT's not proof - it's just a little evidence...whereas you have provided ZIP to the contrary.

    2) I am not playing this childish (I will only answer your first question if you ask my second question) game.

    If you can not even get it together enough to answer two, simple, 'yes or no' questions - then you are not worth wasting my time on this subject with.


    Good day.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Been in the room for three deliveries, so I'm not exactly without any experience. My mother was also a labor and delivery nurse (RN- registered nurse) for 25 years, so I've heard a boatload of stories, but don't even ask me what her opinion is of 'midwives' is.

    But allow me to ask you this: based on your vast experience is a nuchal cord (umbilical cord around the neck) caused by a father being in the room? Just curious?
    Silly question which is obviously meant to sideline the current direction of this discussion. The simple reality would be that the "Father in the room" saved the child from suffocation by being there....but he was ASKED to be there by the mother giving birth.

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