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  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

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  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

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  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    38 56.72%
  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It's not the men I worry about, as much as the women. We could both use a bit of vulcanization, but we wimmenfolk have a little catching up to do. Of course, a case could be made that we just provide balance for one another.
    Frankly, I kind of think we need you gals to soften us up a bit.

    I can speak universally, of course, but a lot of us guys seem to go almost feral if we spend too long without some kind of female influence.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    I can speak universally, of course, but a lot of us guys seem to go almost feral if we spend too long without some kind of female influence.
    So, what explains that tendency in me? (don't answer that- I already know lol)
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I have no idea what your point is.

    If you arent responsible, then you pay the consequences for that. You cant force people to be responsible. As you say as well.

    So what is your point? I'm sure as Hell not going to excuse people that are irresponsible just because 'people are not perfect and make bad decisions." Yeah, we all do. And we all pay the price. That is part of life. For everyone.

    This thread is about where the boundaries are on consequences....the consequences of a bad relationship, not necessarily one due to deciding to get pregnant. Relationships change, all it takes is one partner to cheat and boom...it's over (for example).

    Recognizing poor behavior as common is NOT excusing it nor should it be.

    I really dont give a darn what people do in their personal lives....or their consequences...until it spills over onto me (here's my conservative side coming out) I dont want to pay for it and I dont want to deal with their poorly raised, poorly socially adjusted, disadvantaged, sometimes criminal offspring.
    DO you people purposefully not read my posts and then put words into my mouth that I never said or what? Where did I excuse any poor behavior anywhere? Where the hell is THAT coming from? I said that ONE party is NOT more responsible than the other, regardless of whether some people think one SHOULD be for whatever ridiculous reason.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : However, since society accepts the fact that since it is always the woman who gives birth, her responsibility should be greater than his, where sexuality is the issue. It might be unfair, but nature has wired us that way. That's why courts decided that since it did take two people to make a baby, the men should also accept responsibility for the cost of raising said child today. Not too long ago, children were sent to workhouses to be raised, and it was a cruel life for an innocent child. That is a common theme in Charles Dickens writings, because he didn't agree with the thinking at that time.
    "Society" does not accept that as a fact because it is NOT a fact. Her responsibility is not assumed to be greater by society, hence the reasons why we have "dead beat dad" laws and child support.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I don't think anyone would "blame" you for that, necessarily.

    They might, however, suggest that other girls should probably learn from your mistakes, so that they do not repeat them.



    Some do, and some don't. Unfortunately, people in the "don't" category generally tend to outnumber people in the "do" category.

    The sad truth of the matter is that a lot of the reason for this does boil down to intelligence.

    I hate to break it to everyone, but most people are STUPID.

    This is exactly why absolutist moral codes along the lines of "don't have sex until you're married and ready to start popping out babies" came about in the first place. The vast majority of people simply can't handle being given any more freedom than that.

    They run wild with it, and wind up getting themselves into trouble. More often than not, that trouble doesn't stay only with them either, but winds up becoming everybody else's responsibility to take care of as well.

    This is pretty much exactly what we're seeing now. People have an "anything goes" mentality, so they're throwing caution to the wind, making bad decisions without thinking about them, and making messes that the rest of society is then expected to clean up.

    Call me a cold hearted cynic, but I frankly think it's better for most people if they have a bit less "freedom" with regards to these kinds of issues. There's simply fewer variables for them to screw up.

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    Later.
    I never said it didn't have anything to do with intelligence. I said that one gender is NOT going to be more intelligent regarding these decisions, and when it comes to making BAD decisions, both parties are responsible when they have unprotected sex. BOTH are equally responsible for the life created, and that still has nothing to do with being present in the delivery room when the child is born. As long as that woman doesn't try to keep the father from bonding with the child and interacting with that child after it's birth, she is doing nothing wrong by asking him to not be present in the delivery room with her.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I never said it didn't have anything to do with intelligence. I said that one gender is NOT going to be more intelligent regarding these decisions, and when it comes to making BAD decisions, both parties are responsible when they have unprotected sex.
    I agree.

    The only caveat I'd add here is that women are at greater risk for bad outcomes than men, so it is generally a good idea for them to be a bit more careful.

    BOTH are equally responsible for the life created
    Absolutely.

    As long as that woman doesn't try to keep the father from bonding with the child and interacting with that child after it's birth, she is doing nothing wrong by asking him to not be present in the delivery room with her.
    I have said as much myself.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    DO you people purposefully not read my posts and then put words into my mouth that I never said or what? Where did I excuse any poor behavior anywhere? Where the hell is THAT coming from? I said that ONE party is NOT more responsible than the other, regardless of whether some people think one SHOULD be for whatever ridiculous reason.
    And your point is?

    (We mostly disagreed with the rest of what you just wrote. You try to spread the blame as the excuse.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    "Society" does not accept that as a fact because it is NOT a fact. Her responsibility is not assumed to be greater by society, hence the reasons why we have "dead beat dad" laws and child support.
    Do you not agree that it is ultimately the woman who decides whether or not sex takes place...other than if she is raped? It seems from the comments on here that it is a generally accepted fact. Men don't usually say no to sex, IOW. If a woman wants to be sexually active, she'd be wise to take her birth control pills to protect against pregnancy, and insist on the male using a condom to help protect against STD. If she doesn't, she's only hurting herself. Now you may not agree with my thinking, and that's okay because I understand your argument that both are responsible, and you are correct, but that's a crapshoot I wouldn't personally be willing to risk the rest of my life on.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    I wished the Stork would start delivering babies again so there wouldn't be so much fussin and fightin going on....

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh good - you're back. Maybe you can shed more light onto the "men film childbirths for custody high-ground" debacle.

    I would LOVE to get your perspective on this.
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