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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If out-of-wedlock sex was a big issue to conservatives, there wouldn't be many conservatives at all. It isn't virginity we've been discussing, but stupidity wrt sexual activity. I think that conservatives expect women to be more intelligent than the evidence suggests is the reality of the situation.
    It is a big issue with many conservatives. It is a popular conservative religious belief that sex out of wedlock is a sin.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    There was always a greater amount unplanned pregnancies in poor populations. It's a given that if you have a poor population that you will have higher birthrates and many of those born will be unplanned. I'm not here to talk about how I find disagreement with government imposed child support, but there is little doubt it does nothing to fight against any sort of problems in society. The fact remains that if all you have is "I have government force to equalize the situation" then your argument is complete tripe. Women are are always going to be more inclined to concern themselves with pregnancy than men and it's why the situation hasn't really changed all that much even after child support laws.
    Aren't you also pro life? You don't leave women with very many options do you? Basically, you believe that if a woman has sex with a man and gets pregnant, she is SOL if she can't afford it? Or do you think society should be forced to pay for that child?

    Oh, and not only is the mom SOL, but the children as well. Screw them all, right? As long as you can play and not have to pay?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is a big issue with many conservatives. It is a popular conservative religious belief that sex out of wedlock is a sin.
    You are referring to a small segment of conservatives as a whole. I don't know many conservatives, even the religious ones, who get worked up about the sex-before-marriage issue. Most of them are fiscally conservative, rather than socially so.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is a big issue with many conservatives. It is a popular conservative religious belief that sex out of wedlock is a sin.
    What the hell does that have to do with women taking responsibility for her own body by protecting it from unwanted pregnancies? Since she is the one left to carry the child, go through labor, you would think she would be more willing to guard against it. Instead too many act like feckless airheads one brick shy of a full load and then want to claim equality? Hell she's proving she can't even take care of herself!!!!!!!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Unrealistic.
    Not really. These kinds of problems were far less common in the past than they are today.

    The problem is our current culture, and the ways in which it encourages people (and young people in particular) to misbehave.

    There are ALWAYS going to be irresponsible people.
    True, but the fact of the matter remains that irresponsibility of the type under discussion here is more common today than it was in the past.

    Our society has changed to make sexual irresponsibility more socially acceptable, and that change has not been for the better.

    This is because of a variety of issues, and none of them have to have anything to do with intelligence.
    Well, no. Again, it's culture more than anything else.

    A lot of people these days simply aren't being raised to take these kinds of issues seriously, and it shows in the trouble they get themselves into.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Not really. These kinds of problems were far less common in the past than they are today.

    The problem is our current culture, and the ways in which it encourages people (and young people in particular) to misbehave.



    True, but irresponsibility of the type under discussion here was less common in the past than it iks today.

    Our society has changed to make sexual irresponsibility more socially acceptable, and that change has not been for the better.



    Well, no. Again, it's culture more than anything else.

    A lot of people these days simply aren't being raised to take these kinds of issues seriously, and it shows in the trouble they get themselves into.
    I disagree. I think that these things are just more out in the open now. Women have always been sexual, just afraid to express that in the past for OBVIOUS reasons.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Thin ice, boy-o.

    Physically, most women are weaker in certain aspects.

    Mentally, you don't stand a chance.
    We can resolve this...


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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What the hell does that have to do with women taking responsibility for her own body by protecting it from unwanted pregnancies? Since she is the one left to carry the child, go through labor, you would think she would be more willing to guard against it. Instead too many act like feckless airheads one brick shy of a full load and then want to claim equality? Hell she's proving she can't even take care of herself!!!!!!!
    I was having a side conversation with another poster. Is that okay with you? And the POINT is that people like you have unrealistic expectations. Of course, young people think they are invincible. That is very common among teenagers. Some of them really do think that won't happen to THEM and that it only happens to other people.

    Like I said, gender has nothing to do with how intelligent a person is or how good of a decision-maker a person is. There are WAY too many variables to think in such simplistic terms. And both parties who participated in sex (especially unprotected) are responsible for the results. Just because it effects one person more than another doesn't make that person more responsible for the results.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Instead too many act like feckless airheads one brick shy of a full load and then want to claim equality? Hell she's proving she can't even take care of herself!!!!!!!
    Exactly. Somehow, I have trouble believing that early in the women's rights movement, the women who championed the cause really envisioned that women would try to blame their own mistakes on men or on nature, ignorance, forgetfulness, or anything else. I think that they truly believed that women were equal, and should act as such, and should make sound, intelligent decisions with their own bodies, rather than trying to come up with reasons to justify being negligent with their own bodies.

    I was a teenager when much of that movement was in full swing. I felt empowered, and like I could do anything I wanted, and do it well. I was proud that I could take control of my own body, and exert my own will to protect myself, rather than being at the mercy of my whims, moods, or those of one of my male peers.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I disagree. I think that these things are just more out in the open now. Women have always been sexual, just afraid to express that in the past for OBVIOUS reasons.
    As I've pointed out time and again, this simply isn't the case. People in the past married young, stayed married, and didn't go out of their way to "play the field" sexually before settling down.

    They did this specifically because they didn't want to risk unwanted pregnancies and the social stigma they carried.

    Prior to the mid twentieth century, any guy looking for an "easy lay" would most likely have no other recourse than to turn to a prostitute.

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