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  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

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  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

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  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    38 56.72%
  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

    No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).
    Exactly, and it's not surprising that it would turn into this "war" that some people seem INTENT upon seeing happen, regardless of the logic involved in a MEDICAL decision which is BEST for the patient. The doctors don't give a CRAP if the guy is suffering from "hurt feelings." They care about their patient and her well being and HER comfort.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.
    Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?

    The relationship between the two of them has nothing to do with the medical point of view anyways. I'm shocked that you would say such things.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

    No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).
    The only thing some people care about is being "right" apparently. To hell with everything else, including the health and well being of other humans.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You obviously ignored my link.
    More than just that.
    Yeah figured your argument was a pile of rubbish, you're not bothered about any health consequences for the child otherwise you'd have a different viewpoint.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?
    She's a woman. We'll never know.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I can't attest to the latter, but she's right about the former. Women should never do anything pertaining to a car alone (taking to a mechanic, buying one, etc.) - recipe for disaster.
    the funny thing is that we have been using the same mechanic for the last 20 years and my father used our mechanic's father for the 40 years prior to that. They know us and aren't going to try to screw us. In our case, it is a totally bull**** excuse.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    She's a woman. We'll never know.
    We don't know, exactly right. She could suffer from a mental illness, and his presence could cause her emotional difficulties.

    IOW, the reasons WHY are secondary to concern for the patients.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I personally would not punish my child or the mother with a tantrum.

    Men do things all the time for women - they grit their teeth, force a smile, and do it.

    We do that because we're more mature than to use something as punishment or leverage. Men are obviously more mature.
    I can't believe YOU are saying this.

    Mr. "women are cum dumpsters".

    Seriously.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Also lizzie, why is the woman responsible for this decision and the man is NOT? He made choices too. HE chose to sleep with this woman who now doesn't TRUST him to be in the delivery room with her. Why do you think that is?

    The relationship between the two of them has nothing to do with the medical point of view anyways. I'm shocked that you would say such things.
    You should not be surprised. You know that I tend to take all factors into consideration when I look at most issues. I didn't say that the relationship has anything to do with the medical point of view- in fact I said that his rights do not trump her right to privacy. My point was that she has now become shy and needs her privacy, but she sure as hell wasn't too worried about privacy when she slept with the guy. It doesn't matter to me personally either way- it's just an observation of what appears to be hypocrisy on her part.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the funny thing is that we have been using the same mechanic for the last 20 years and my father used our mechanic's father for the 40 years prior to that. They know us and aren't going to try to screw us. In our case, it is a totally bull**** excuse.
    Oh, and I'm sure YOU are perfect right? You don't say, "oh, will you make it for me, because I don't know how."

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