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  • Yes, he has a legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

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  • Yes, he has a legal right and in my opinion he shouldnt.

    1 1.49%
  • No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that.

    38 56.72%
  • No, he has no legal right and in my opinion he should.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    would be interesting to follow this couple for the next 18 years to see just who the real asshole is.....
    You completely miss the point. It has nothing to do with who is right, who is wrong, who is an asshole and who is not. It has to do with what is best for the patient from a medical point of view, both patients because when mom is stressed, then baby is stressed, as they are still sharing a body.

    For all WE know this woman could suffer from a mental illness and just be paranoid, but that doesn't matter. What DOES matter is the patient's perception of the situation. Even if SHE is the asshole, SHE probably doesn't see it that way, and his presence there will upset her. It does NOT matter who started it or who is a jerk. It only matters to the medical professionals that she be as calm and as comfortable as is humanly possible during her delivery.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Aren't you the one who calls women he does not know "cum dumpsters"
    Oh good - you're back. Maybe you can shed more light onto the "men film childbirths for custody high-ground" debacle.

    I would LOVE to get your perspective on this.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I personally would not punish my child or the mother with a tantrum.

    Men do things all the time for women - they grit their teeth, force a smile, and do it.

    We do that because we're more mature than to use something as punishment or leverage. Men are obviously more mature.
    that's my only complaint about my wife. She constantly uses the old "you're a man, so you'll get a better response" excuse when she wants me to do something that she doesn't want to do.

    take the car to the mechanic - "they'll be less likely to try to screw you over because you're a man"
    call the school about one of the kids - "you'll get more respect or quicker response because you're a man"

    I know it's a bull**** excuse, she (probably) knows it's a bull**** excuse, but I smile and say "no problem" because I know it will make her happy.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If he's in there bossing her around, cussing her out, physically assaulting her, etc. I say throw him out. If he's there relatively quiet with a camcorder


    Now I know you're just kidding around and trying to get a rise out of the women on this poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    equating that with trauma is just plain foolish.
    Trauma is not just physical trauma by medical definition - emotional trauma is just as bad especially during childbirth.

    Giving an ex the right to be present and humiliate and traumatise the mother not only affects her but can affect the child. If she freezes up and prolongs childbirth due to involuntary reaction to his presence the child gets to pay for the rest of its life.

    You obviously ignored my link.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I like how everyone has ignored the post where I tried to get the men to place themselves in the woman's place in terms of privacy, vulnerability, and embarrasment.

    Complete avoidance. LOL I know it's hard to imagine. To the point of offensive. And that's how a woman could feel, that exposed, to someone she dislikes and distrusts...with a video camera no less!

    This shows that some men really have no respect for women and no ability (or desire) to understand what they go thru during labor.
    As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's my only complaint about my wife. She constantly uses the old "you're a man, so you'll get a better response" excuse when she wants me to do something that she doesn't want to do.

    take the car to the mechanic - "they'll be less likely to try to screw you over because you're a man"
    call the school about one of the kids - "you'll get more respect or quicker response because you're a man"

    I know it's a bull**** excuse, she (probably) knows it's a bull**** excuse, but I smile and say "no problem" because I know it will make her happy.
    I can't attest to the latter, but she's right about the former. Women should never do anything pertaining to a car alone (taking to a mechanic, buying one, etc.) - recipe for disaster.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
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    Now I know you're just kidding around and trying to get a rise out of the women on this poll.



    Trauma is not just physical trauma by medical definition - emotional trauma is just as bad especially during childbirth.

    Giving an ex the right to be present and humiliate and traumatise the mother not only affects her but can affect the child. If she freezes up and prolongs childbirth due to involuntary reaction to his presence the child gets to pay for the rest of its life.

    You obviously ignored my link.
    They DON'T care. They only care about this men versus women issue. That is the only thing that is important to SOME people. To HELL with the health and well-being of the people involved. HE wants to prove a point dammit!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    -- It only matters to the medical professionals that she be as calm and as comfortable as is humanly possible during her delivery.
    I think what we're seeing is a desire to have equal rights on a crude and most naive level in demanding a father be present.

    No thought whatsoever of the long term consequences of a difficult childbirth on the child itself. The child's health doesn't matter to some posters - just as long as even a hostile ex has equal right to be at the birth of this child as the mother (who has no choice of whether to be there or not).

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As much as I often agree with you on many issues, on this one, I think you're a little off base. Is it not the father (whom I am assuming she had sex with, at some point) that we are talking about? Did she not sleep with the man in order to get to the point of this story even being an issue? If she slept with him, for Chrissakes, there is no reason to be feeling all queasy and self-conscious about her privacy at this point. So she slept with him, got pregnant by him, and now she feels distrustful and doesn't like the guy. She would have been much smarter to get to know him well enough to know if he was trustworthy in the first place, rather than doing something completely stupid, then getting hysterical in retrospect. I am not saying that his rights trump her right to privacy, but I am saying that I can completely understand why so many people think she is being a bit unreasonable.
    Of course there is, if she doesn't like him anymore, and he disgusts her, it is NOT unreasonable at all. A past relationship is irrelevant.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You obviously ignored my link.
    More than just that.

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