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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    WHY is irrelevant
    It's not to me.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's not to me.
    It is to medical professionals, and that's what I'm talking about. The reason why she would be upset is not relevant, only that she be under the least stress as possible under these circumstances.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    But this case has nothing to do with gender inequality. It has to do with patient privacy rights and the health and welfare of the patient.

    I have said this multiple times. There are a lot of things to continue to fight for with mens rights as they pertain to parenthood, this just is not one of them.

    If he wanted in, he needed to be someone that would help the birthing process and be someone she perceived as supportive and not a stressor in the situation. Not sure if that was ever possible. They are the only ones that know the intricacies of their relationship.
    We will have to agree to disagree, as I see it as gender inequality. Even if the couple are married and he wants very much to be a part of the birth, if she says no, it's no. I find that very unfair.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not remotely possible to make it equal. His life isnt in danger. He's not screaming in pain. He's not doing the absolute best job he can to obey the doctors' instructions and deliver a healthy baby.

    If we could add those things to his 'shared experience' in the delivery room, sure, then I might change my view.

    Oh wait, he can share one of those things: He can obey the doctors' instructions and leave so they and the mother can do their best to deliver a healthy baby.
    Can we get any more melodramatic ? Jesus. Let's not forget her body was designed to do the deed. How many babies are born in the backseat of cab or car? How many like myself had the baby on a stretcher outside the damn delivery room for all passer bys to see? You want to talk about privacy? Every damn person around you at that point is a stranger.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    When you call women you do not know "cum dumpster" because she made a decision, and you have no idea why she came to that decision but proceed to call her derogatory names anyways, it's a pretty safe bet that is a display of hatred towards women in general IMO. Some people want to automatically take away HER rights to medical privacy because of some personal feelings they have and conclusions they have jumped to because of THEIR own personal experiences without knowing any details.

    AND the bottom line is she doesn't want him there. WHY is irrelevant when it comes to the health of her and the baby.
    Meh, I always liked the term cum depository over cum dumpster.

    I don't find it matters much unless of course we are talking about rape what her reason might be. Even if they don't get along a part of being a goddamn adult is being able to put stupid **** aside so as to respect each other. While he shouldn't have tried to force his way into the room by dragging her to court, she shouldn't have denied him access to the room. If they wanted to show they can work together a good starting point is when the baby is born. Anyone that truly finds her action were in the right here is in my opinion wrong.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    We will have to agree to disagree, as I see it as gender inequality. Even if the couple are married and he wants very much to be a part of the birth, if she says no, it's no. I find that very unfair.
    Inequality and 'unfair' are not the same.

    Her state of mind in the delivery room can actually make the difference between life and death for herself and the baby. The right relationship between the mother and father can make her stronger, mentally and physically. The wrong one can obviously have the opposite consequences.

    So now no one is considering the baby's welfare? The "unfairness" to the man is more important than 2 lives? He's not much of a man if he'd force himself and his own wishes above that.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not everyone does, but its not at all rare for me to be called a woman hater because I challenge a woman on something she said or did. Women can be awful human beings just like men and if they want to be seen as equals then they have to expect I will call them out on it. I also get called a woman hater when I have a problem with something feminist are doing which I see as harmful in one way or another. My intent is never to hate on women, but to show my disapproval for whatever thing feminist are doing that I have a problem with. Honestly, I don't care anymore. I will say what I believe, and I will speak against hateful people and things I feel are harmful, and I don't care if those people I'm speaking against are men or women.
    That's interesting. I challenge women on things they've said or done frequently, even on feminist issues, and not once has anyone accused me of being a woman hater. I think your underlying motives are coming thorough to the surface a wee bit more than you're aware.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Inequality and 'unfair' are not the same.

    Her state of mind in the delivery room can actually make the difference between life and death for herself and the baby. The right relationship between the mother and father can make her stronger, mentally and physically. The wrong one can obviously have the opposite consequences.

    So now no one is considering the baby's welfare? The "unfairness" to the man is more important than 2 lives? He's not much of a man if he'd force himself and his own wishes above that.
    And one could say she isn't much of a woman if she did not respect his wishes either.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Can we get any more melodramatic ? Jesus. Let's not forget her body was designed to do the deed. How many babies are born in the backseat of cab or car? How many like myself had the baby on a stretcher outside the damn delivery room for all passer bys to see? You want to talk about privacy? Every damn person around you at that point is a stranger.
    So? The pain, the fear, the blood, the RISKS.....those are diminished? No they are not. No one chooses to give birth in the back of a cab.

    By design the woman goes thru Hell. She is not obligated to 'share' that with someone she dislikes and distrusts. She'll never see those strangers again, most likely. She has to see someone she may consider an asshole and who may BE an asshole that throws that in her face anytime he gets pissed off at her over child visitation.

    You choose to deny her this, but her mental and physical state and how those contribute to the birth of the baby are 1000x more important than his viewing pleasure.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And one could say she isn't much of a woman if she did not respect his wishes either.
    Oh please. There is no harm, no consequence for him. His choice could put their lives at risk.

    Her choice makes him disappointed and litigious.

    It's not remotely the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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