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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Currently he can't go into the delivery room without the woman's consent. Even without the courts, the hospital would not allow it. Maybe some day he will have the privilege to watch the birth of his child via a closed circuit TV. What I am arguing is how jilted the laws are against fathers and need to change. And slowly but surely fathers are gaining their overdue rights. But it is far from being fair. There's legislation coming forth in different states that would force the mother to notify the father in advance of an abortion. The man can't stop it but can then legally sue her for damages. There's been an increase in paternal grandparents being awarded custody of their grandchildren. There is other legislation that has been proposed, I believe in Utah and Michigan where a woman can not give up a child for adoption unless she has the consent of the father allowing him/his parents custody of the child. The whole "my body my choice" as a right is not constitutional when it denies paternal rights to fathers.
    If the father was giving birth and the mother was denied attendance I would have exactly the same opinion. Has nothing to do with discriminating against men, there is no 'right' involved here.....this issue is about him trying to force his desires over the desires of the woman...who is possibly anticipating undergoing all sorts of Hell in there (I know I would!)

    She doesnt like him, doesnt trust him. We dont know what he did to her...you seem to think the breakup was all her fault...that is rarely the case in relationships.

    It's her procedure, her life on the line, and I see no reason not to believe she has the best interests of the baby's welfare in mind either. Why assume that? His desire to be present does not supersede her need to be absolutely focused on a healthy delivery.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It isn't hatred of all women. It is speaking out for what he sees as an injustice. You know for the past 100 years women learned the only way to get rights was to speak up and fight for them. And when they did they were called hateful man haters etc. If you truly believe in equality among the sexes, then you must be insistent that both are treated fairly and not be a cheerleader for just your own gender.
    But this case has nothing to do with gender inequality. It has to do with patient privacy rights and the health and welfare of the patient.

    I have said this multiple times. There are a lot of things to continue to fight for with mens rights as they pertain to parenthood, this just is not one of them.

    If he wanted in, he needed to be someone that would help the birthing process and be someone she perceived as supportive and not a stressor in the situation. Not sure if that was ever possible. They are the only ones that know the intricacies of their relationship.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It isn't hatred of all women. It is speaking out for what he sees as an injustice. You know for the past 100 years women learned the only way to get rights was to speak up and fight for them. And when they did they were called hateful man haters etc. If you truly believe in equality among the sexes, then you must be insistent that both are treated fairly and not be a cheerleader for just your own gender.
    You've just got to laugh at the ridiculousness in this statement. YOU are wrong. As a woman you should know and understand that delivering a child is a personal experience. Are you honestly saying that YOU would want someone you disliked there with you?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    But this case has nothing to do with gender inequality. It has to do with patient privacy rights and the health and welfare of the patient.

    I have said this multiple times. There are a lot of things to continue to fight for with mens rights as they pertain to parenthood, this just is not one of them.

    If he wanted in, he needed to be someone that would help the birthing process and be someone she perceived as supportive and not a stressor in the situation. Not sure if that was ever possible. They are the only ones that know the intricacies of their relationship.
    I'm STUNNED that some people (especially women) cannot understand this simple concept and are trying to turn this into a "war of the sexes." It's utterly ridiculous. It could be the woman's MOTHER, and it doesn't matter. If she does not want a person present during her own medical procedure, that is HER right. There is no right for another person to be present during ANY medical procedure for another person without their consent.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    As a woman
    Just as I thought - us vs. them.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If the father was giving birth and the mother was denied attendance I would have exactly the same opinion. Has nothing to do with discriminating against men, there is no 'right' involved here.....this issue is about him trying to force his desires over the desires of the woman...who is possibly anticipating undergoing all sorts of Hell in there (I know I would!)
    As the law stands now that is correct. He has no right in the delivery room. Not even a married spouse. But if the right case came before a judge worded just right, that could change.
    She doesnt like him, doesnt trust him. We dont know what he did to her...you seem to think the breakup was all her fault...that is rarely the case in relationships.
    Agree we do not know their circumstances. But I never claimed it was her fault. However, I find the privacy right a pretty weak argument. What I have stated is if she thinks having him in the delivery room is stressful then how is she going to handle visitation of the child for the years to come? Don't mistake being an advocate for father's rights as automatically assuming the woman is guilty.
    It's her procedure, her life on the line, and I see no reason not to believe she has the best interests of the baby's welfare in mind either. Why assume that? His desire to be present does not supersede her need to be absolutely focused on a healthy delivery.
    Maybe her interests were for the baby's welfare and then again maybe they were vindictive.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Just as I thought - us vs. them.
    A woman knows what going through childbirth is like. You, not so much. All you can do is imagine. Take it how you want. I don't really care. Judging by ALL of your posts on this topic, you are completely ignorant about childbirth and women.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    As the law stands now that is correct. He has no right in the delivery room. Not even a married spouse. But if the right case came before a judge worded just right, that could change.

    Agree we do not know their circumstances. But I never claimed it was her fault. However, I find the privacy right a pretty weak argument. What I have stated is if she thinks having him in the delivery room is stressful then how is she going to handle visitation of the child for the years to come? Don't mistake being an advocate for father's rights as automatically assuming the woman is guilty.

    Maybe her interests were for the baby's welfare and then again maybe they were vindictive.
    Lame argument. Two COMPLETELY different situations and NOT comparable. Talk about a "weak" argument.

    Laughable that anyone would think medical privacy is a "weak" argument. It most certainly is NOT.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    A woman knows what going through childbirth is like. You, not so much. All you can do is imagine. Take it how you want. I don't really care.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Maybe THIS will help some realize how important the medical community takes patient privacy matters. A doctor cannot even release information about a patient to another doctor without express written consent from that patient, and you just want to allow people into the delivery room against a woman's consent? That is just NEVER going to happen. That would violate EVERYTHING.

    Medical privacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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