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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes you are guilty of "whitewashing" your posts but I am sure there are a number of women on this forum to give you kudos for that. Truth is you have no idea what led up to this man filing a court order to have the right to watch the birth of his child. The report says they were estranged. That had to happen within the pregnancy whether it be 6 weeks in or a week before her delivery date, you have nothing to go on. She may have been all for it up till the end and for some reason decided to change her mind. You see whatever mama wants mama gets under the current playing field and that is just wrong. Men have rights too.
    And YOU don't know either. I think this bitchy little statement tells us all we need to know.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Peter, Peter, Peter.... women made of glass, who like to scream equality yet are not willing to take personal responsibility for their choices love men like you. I believe very much in equal rights. Spent a good deal of my life fighting for those rights for women. I have found myself on occasion having to make waves not being paid equally for the same job a man does. But what I see women getting away with today while claiming their so called rights is disgusting. Especially when it comes to the subject of men's rights pertaining to anything related to a pregnancy to child custody. If she ever wants to be taken seriously she best demand an equal playing field and not one she claims special benefits and only then be willing to do battle. Until then there is nothing equal about it
    OMG! Sorry, but I don't believe that for ONE second. What "rights" for women have you ever fought for? Here you are wanting men to be able to FORCE themselves upon these women.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Really? Was she able to create that life on her own? The answer is NO.

    And then again a woman who allows herself to get involved in a sexual relationship with no commitment and is stupid enough to not protect herself since she is the one that will ultimately carry the child for 9 months and go through the delivery process could be deemed as a real idiot.
    But HE isn't stupid? Hmmmm. Very interesting.

    Depends on where you live. Men often find themselves thinking they are going to be a father then the mother doesn't want to be a mother so the baby goes up for adoption without the father's knowledge. How f-ing selfish of any woman that would do that, not allowing the father the opportunity to raise their own child?
    Oh really? This happens "often?" Let's see some statistics and links. Look at you, freaking out and calling women "selfish" who you don't even know. This tells us MUCH more about you and how you are full of hate for younger women. I wonder what happened to make you so hateful?

    Yes she does, but what a f-ing bitch to deny the father of her child, estranged or not that right! My Gawd, the number of kids born today that many of the mothers don't know who the father is and this guy was real sure he was the daddy.
    The "f-ing bitch?" Sorry but your little tantrum here makes you seem . . . . well, I'm sure you can figure it out.

    Yada Yada Yada. Facts are men are jilted everyday with anything related to a woman's pregnancy. Her body her choice. Got it. Even though she couldn't produce that child on her own. It took a man's donation of himself. Yet the woman can have this right to end a pregnancy of a child that a man helped create. He loses. She has the right to have a baby when a man does not want one and be faced with 18 years of child support. What's wrong with this picture?
    Ha-ha!!! And you "fight for women's rights?" OMG! Let me put it to you THIS way. Obviously, he was stupid and a dumb bitch for hooking up with a woman without knowing anything about her for sex alone.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes, check the law please because that is exactly what it means. Her body so her choice. I am sorry to have to put it that bluntly but that is how the law works and thanks goodness for that or women would become slaves to men who could just knock them up and force them to have children.

    The right to decide what happens inside a womans body is hers to decide and hers alone (as long as she complies with the laws in the US). So if she wants to have a legal abortion (again, in accordance to the US laws) than that is her choice and nobody else's decision.

    And with sperm banks women don't actually need a man to get pregnant anyway.



    I did not say the the woman does not have to take protection to avoid pregnancy if she does not want a child but your story was about men who were becoming fathers against their will because the woman would not have an abortion when she got pregnant. Again, in the first place her body so her decision and if she does not believe in abortion so be it, secondly, as I had said before, if a man wants to avoid such a situation he has to either use protection, have a vasectomy or not have sex with a woman.

    If a man knocks up a woman he is the one who is running the risk of the girl having this baby and him having to pay for it. In hindsight he might have been a bit more smart and used protection.



    Well, it may be selfish but I do not know that. I would like to think that a woman would have the decency to notify the father but I am not sure that she is legally mandated to do that. In an ideal world a woman should have the respect for herself and the father to give him that opportunity but if the woman is not sure or does not want to break up a marriage (if her partner is married) then it might just be the best solution to give up to the child to people who want one and can care for one.



    Yes, you may have that opinion but thankfully the law does not give a flying fig about what your or this guys opinion is of the woman. How dare she want some privacy while she is having her baby. How dare she care for the safety of her child and not the childish bullying behavior of the selfish jerk that was her ex-boyfriend. He has no legal right to demand this, his lawyer knew because there was not one legal ground he put in the document presented in court to move the judge to allow him to be present. This guy was throwing a temper tantrum because the mother who is carrying something he would like to see born healthy would not allow him there where he had no legal or moral business being.

    And I do not give a crap about the number of kids that are born to mothers who do not know the identity of the person who made her pregnant, but just like this woman that woman too would have been totally within her legal and moral right not to have him present in the delivery room.

    And again, I could care less if this guy thinks he is the father. Until the baby is actually born he is nothing, not a single thing in the eyes of the law.



    He did not loose anything but the possibility of a child being born. If she had an abortion than he did not loose anything except maybe the idea of becoming a father. That is the law and again, thank goodness or women would be slaves to the demands or men. Women had to put up with that thing for far too long.

    And there is nothing wrong with that picture, there is possibly something wrong with the woman for having sex in a non-committed relation but there is most certainly something wrong with the guy, he was careless and impregnated a woman and that is almost entirely down to his own stupid decisions.

    Sorry, I cannot feel guilty for some dumb schmuck who got a woman pregnant he did not want to get pregnant. He cannot claim he was not an active participant in that act so he has to pay the piper.
    But SHE had the fortitude to break it off with him, and now this man is trying to FORCE a relationship with this woman who doesn't want to have a relationship with him. I cannot believe that people would be supporting this guy and supporting letting people into the delivery room that mom might HATE!

    And it really doesn't matter if someone thinks she's a "bitch" or not. That is besides the point. The point is that she is entitled to her privacy during a medical procedure. IF she allows him in there with her, it is a privilege for him and NOT a right. No where does it say that a man has a "right" to watch his baby be born and to force the patient to allow him to be there with her. It's completely bogus and goes against everything to do with medical privacy and patient confidentiality.

    I am stunned by the stupidity being displayed on this thread, especially by some alleged "women." Obviously, bitter old biddies. Lol!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    [h=1]http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/judge-says-pregnant-women-can-bar-fathers-delivery/nfCPd/

    So do you think the father has a legal right to see his baby born or be in the room?

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    No, he has no legal right and my opinion agrees with that --
    In most happy relationships I would guess most women would want their supportive partner in the room however as soon as you get into the situation of exes, rapists etc then the obvious answer is no.

    Birth is an incredibly sensitive time for the mother and her emotions and hormones do affect the unborn - birth can also be incredibly messy and bloody so having a woman feel violated right at her most vulnerable physical state is no good for anyone except a father who is out for revenge.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    In most happy relationships I would guess most women would want their supportive partner in the room however as soon as you get into the situation of exes, rapists etc then the obvious answer is no.

    Birth is an incredibly sensitive time for the mother and her emotions and hormones do affect the unborn - birth can also be incredibly messy and bloody so having a woman feel violated right at her most vulnerable physical state is no good for anyone except a father who is out for revenge.
    That is how I see this particular situation. It does not seem as if this man in the OP story is a "caring" person at all. It's horrible, and I'm horrified at the amount of people who would want to see people be able to force their way into the operating/delivery room. It's unbelievable to me.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    We are seeking entitlement because we support her right to keep her whoo hoo private? Man, our expectations are low....we should try for the right to vote or sumthin'.
    Considering what it takes for him to get her pregnant, you don't get to hide behind a morality or a decency curtain in this argument.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But SHE had the fortitude to break it off with him, and now this man is trying to FORCE a relationship with this woman who doesn't want to have a relationship with him. I cannot believe that people would be supporting this guy and supporting letting people into the delivery room that mom might HATE!
    the only thing he was trying to "force" was to be present at the birth of his child. Nothing I saw indicated he was interested in any kind of "relationship" with this female.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the only thing he was trying to "force" was to be present at the birth of his child. Nothing I saw indicated he was interested in any kind of "relationship" with this female.
    But the fact remains that if she feels upset about it (regardless of the reason), it is putting the mother and child at risk. NO doctor is going to back that idea, EVER.

    It can, at the very LEAST, prolong her labor, which is more traumatic and stressful for BOTH mom and baby. So if you CARE about your baby's health, you would NOT do something like this. You just wouldn't. Just watch a delivery and tell me if you think that POOR woman needs any more stressful environment?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    I was in the delivery room each time I had a child born unto me. Went through Lamaz (sp?) and all that too.

    I would hope that every father would want to be present and welcomed.

    But there are just too many scenerios possible that would render it a bad idea to make it a law, in stone, that every father has a RIGHT to be present. Not all situations were like mine.

    But, the bottom line is, in a delivery room, in a hospital, the doctor's and nurses responsibility, first and foremost, is the health and well-being of the mother and the baby. They should not have to deal with whether a father does or does not have the right to be in the room. If they say he has to get out, he should have to get out. That goes for grandmothers and mothers-in-laws too.

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