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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Really? Was she able to create that life on her own? The answer is NO.
    Yes, check the law please because that is exactly what it means. Her body so her choice. I am sorry to have to put it that bluntly but that is how the law works and thanks goodness for that or women would become slaves to men who could just knock them up and force them to have children.

    The right to decide what happens inside a womans body is hers to decide and hers alone (as long as she complies with the laws in the US). So if she wants to have a legal abortion (again, in accordance to the US laws) than that is her choice and nobody else's decision.

    And with sperm banks women don't actually need a man to get pregnant anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And then again a woman who allows herself to get involved in a sexual relationship with no commitment and is stupid enough to not protect herself since she is the one that will ultimately carry the child for 9 months and go through the delivery process could be deemed as a real idiot.
    I did not say the the woman does not have to take protection to avoid pregnancy if she does not want a child but your story was about men who were becoming fathers against their will because the woman would not have an abortion when she got pregnant. Again, in the first place her body so her decision and if she does not believe in abortion so be it, secondly, as I had said before, if a man wants to avoid such a situation he has to either use protection, have a vasectomy or not have sex with a woman.

    If a man knocks up a woman he is the one who is running the risk of the girl having this baby and him having to pay for it. In hindsight he might have been a bit more smart and used protection.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Depends on where you live. Men often find themselves thinking they are going to be a father then the mother doesn't want to be a mother so the baby goes up for adoption without the father's knowledge. How f-ing selfish of any woman that would do that, not allowing the father the opportunity to raise their own child?
    Well, it may be selfish but I do not know that. I would like to think that a woman would have the decency to notify the father but I am not sure that she is legally mandated to do that. In an ideal world a woman should have the respect for herself and the father to give him that opportunity but if the woman is not sure or does not want to break up a marriage (if her partner is married) then it might just be the best solution to give up to the child to people who want one and can care for one.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes she does, but what a f-ing bitch to deny the father of her child, estranged or not that right! My Gawd, the number of kids born today that many of the mothers don't know who the father is and this guy was real sure he was the daddy.
    Yes, you may have that opinion but thankfully the law does not give a flying fig about what your or this guys opinion is of the woman. How dare she want some privacy while she is having her baby. How dare she care for the safety of her child and not the childish bullying behavior of the selfish jerk that was her ex-boyfriend. He has no legal right to demand this, his lawyer knew because there was not one legal ground he put in the document presented in court to move the judge to allow him to be present. This guy was throwing a temper tantrum because the mother who is carrying something he would like to see born healthy would not allow him there where he had no legal or moral business being.

    And I do not give a crap about the number of kids that are born to mothers who do not know the identity of the person who made her pregnant, but just like this woman that woman too would have been totally within her legal and moral right not to have him present in the delivery room.

    And again, I could care less if this guy thinks he is the father. Until the baby is actually born he is nothing, not a single thing in the eyes of the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yada Yada Yada. Facts are men are jilted everyday with anything related to a woman's pregnancy. Her body her choice. Got it. Even though she couldn't produce that child on her own. It took a man's donation of himself. Yet the woman can have this right to end a pregnancy of a child that a man helped create. He loses. She has the right to have a baby when a man does not want one and be faced with 18 years of child support. What's wrong with this picture?
    He did not loose anything but the possibility of a child being born. If she had an abortion than he did not loose anything except maybe the idea of becoming a father. That is the law and again, thank goodness or women would be slaves to the demands or men. Women had to put up with that thing for far too long.

    And there is nothing wrong with that picture, there is possibly something wrong with the woman for having sex in a non-committed relation but there is most certainly something wrong with the guy, he was careless and impregnated a woman and that is almost entirely down to his own stupid decisions.

    Sorry, I cannot feel guilty for some dumb schmuck who got a woman pregnant he did not want to get pregnant. He cannot claim he was not an active participant in that act so he has to pay the piper.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes, check the law please because that is exactly what it means. Her body so her choice. I am sorry to have to put it that bluntly but that is how the law works and thanks goodness for that or women would become slaves to men who could just knock them up and force them to have children.

    The right to decide what happens inside a womans body is hers to decide and hers alone (as long as she complies with the laws in the US). So if she wants to have a legal abortion (again, in accordance to the US laws) than that is her choice and nobody else's decision.

    And with sperm banks women don't actually need a man to get pregnant anyway.



    I did not say the the woman does not have to take protection to avoid pregnancy if she does not want a child but your story was about men who were becoming fathers against their will because the woman would not have an abortion when she got pregnant. Again, in the first place her body so her decision and if she does not believe in abortion so be it, secondly, as I had said before, if a man wants to avoid such a situation he has to either use protection, have a vasectomy or not have sex with a woman.

    If a man knocks up a woman he is the one who is running the risk of the girl having this baby and him having to pay for it. In hindsight he might have been a bit more smart and used protection.



    Well, it may be selfish but I do not know that. I would like to think that a woman would have the decency to notify the father but I am not sure that she is legally mandated to do that. In an ideal world a woman should have the respect for herself and the father to give him that opportunity but if the woman is not sure or does not want to break up a marriage (if her partner is married) then it might just be the best solution to give up to the child to people who want one and can care for one.



    Yes, you may have that opinion but thankfully the law does not give a flying fig about what your or this guys opinion is of the woman. How dare she want some privacy while she is having her baby. How dare she care for the safety of her child and not the childish bullying behavior of the selfish jerk that was her ex-boyfriend. He has no legal right to demand this, his lawyer knew because there was not one legal ground he put in the document presented in court to move the judge to allow him to be present. This guy was throwing a temper tantrum because the mother who is carrying something he would like to see born healthy would not allow him there where he had no legal or moral business being.

    And I do not give a crap about the number of kids that are born to mothers who do not know the identity of the person who made her pregnant, but just like this woman that woman too would have been totally within her legal and moral right not to have him present in the delivery room.

    And again, I could care less if this guy thinks he is the father. Until the baby is actually born he is nothing, not a single thing in the eyes of the law.



    He did not loose anything but the possibility of a child being born. If she had an abortion than he did not loose anything except maybe the idea of becoming a father. That is the law and again, thank goodness or women would be slaves to the demands or men. Women had to put up with that thing for far too long.

    And there is nothing wrong with that picture, there is possibly something wrong with the woman for having sex in a non-committed relation but there is most certainly something wrong with the guy, he was careless and impregnated a woman and that is almost entirely down to his own stupid decisions.

    Sorry, I cannot feel guilty for some dumb schmuck who got a woman pregnant he did not want to get pregnant. He cannot claim he was not an active participant in that act so he has to pay the piper.
    Peter, Peter, Peter.... women made of glass, who like to scream equality yet are not willing to take personal responsibility for their choices love men like you. I believe very much in equal rights. Spent a good deal of my life fighting for those rights for women. I have found myself on occasion having to make waves not being paid equally for the same job a man does. But what I see women getting away with today while claiming their so called rights is disgusting. Especially when it comes to the subject of men's rights pertaining to anything related to a pregnancy to child custody. If she ever wants to be taken seriously she best demand an equal playing field and not one she claims special benefits and only then be willing to do battle. Until then there is nothing equal about it
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Peter, Peter, Peter.... women made of glass, who like to scream equality yet are not willing to take personal responsibility for their choices love men like you. I believe very much in equal rights. Spent a good deal of my life fighting for those rights for women. I have found myself on occasion having to make waves not being paid equally for the same job a man does. But what I see women getting away with today while claiming their so called rights is disgusting. Especially when it comes to the subject of men's rights pertaining to anything related to a pregnancy to child custody. If she ever wants to be taken seriously she best demand an equal playing field and not one she claims special benefits and only then be willing to do battle. Until then there is nothing equal about it
    I am not whitewashing anyone in the case a woman gets pregnant. Both parties had part in that but whereas a man only has an economic responsibility in the whole issue, nobody can force him to stay home with his child etc. But normally women cannot get away from their responsibilities, she is normally the one who is going to take care and raise the child.

    And in this case it is not about the guy not being allowed to see his child, the woman has already testified in court that his name will be on the hospital visiting list so that he can see his child. The only thing the woman did not want is the added aggravation of having someone with whom she already had a difficult relationship with and dragged her into court (costing her and his child money for lawyers etc.) for him demanding something he is not entitled to under the law. Her wishes are not outlandish, she just wanted to not have him be there in the delivery room. She has to concentrate on giving birth, this guy being in there is not going to be beneficial for her or the baby.

    Women privacy during labor, that is guaranteed to her under the law. This man is the disrespectful jerk for demanding something he had no right to demand from the woman. You might think that is special benefits but I think that is her constitutionally guaranteed right and that is not a special benefit, that is a right.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am not whitewashing anyone in the case a woman gets pregnant. Both parties had part in that but whereas a man only has an economic responsibility in the whole issue, nobody can force him to stay home with his child etc. But normally women cannot get away from their responsibilities, she is normally the one who is going to take care and raise the child.

    And in this case it is not about the guy not being allowed to see his child, the woman has already testified in court that his name will be on the hospital visiting list so that he can see his child. The only thing the woman did not want is the added aggravation of having someone with whom she already had a difficult relationship with and dragged her into court (costing her and his child money for lawyers etc.) for him demanding something he is not entitled to under the law. Her wishes are not outlandish, she just wanted to not have him be there in the delivery room. She has to concentrate on giving birth, this guy being in there is not going to be beneficial for her or the baby.

    Women privacy during labor, that is guaranteed to her under the law. This man is the disrespectful jerk for demanding something he had no right to demand from the woman. You might think that is special benefits but I think that is her constitutionally guaranteed right and that is not a special benefit, that is a right.
    Yes you are guilty of "whitewashing" your posts but I am sure there are a number of women on this forum to give you kudos for that. Truth is you have no idea what led up to this man filing a court order to have the right to watch the birth of his child. The report says they were estranged. That had to happen within the pregnancy whether it be 6 weeks in or a week before her delivery date, you have nothing to go on. She may have been all for it up till the end and for some reason decided to change her mind. You see whatever mama wants mama gets under the current playing field and that is just wrong. Men have rights too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And with sperm banks women don't actually need a man to get pregnant anyway.
    Interesting. So where does that sperm in a sperm bank come from? Is it perhaps the same place it would otherwise come from?


    I did not say the the woman does not have to take protection to avoid pregnancy if she does not want a child but your story was about men who were becoming fathers against their will because the woman would not have an abortion when she got pregnant. Again, in the first place her body so her decision and if she does not believe in abortion so be it, secondly, as I had said before, if a man wants to avoid such a situation he has to either use protection, have a vasectomy or not have sex with a woman.
    So basically the man has no choice but to be a parent, but the woman has more than one out card. Nice.

    If a man knocks up a woman he is the one who is running the risk of the girl having this baby and him having to pay for it. In hindsight he might have been a bit more smart and used protection.
    Couldn't we say the same thing for women if abortion is ever banned? Gosh, if she was just smarter.

    Well, it may be selfish but I do not know that. I would like to think that a woman would have the decency to notify the father but I am not sure that she is legally mandated to do that. In an ideal world a woman should have the respect for herself and the father to give him that opportunity but if the woman is not sure or does not want to break up a marriage (if her partner is married) then it might just be the best solution to give up to the child to people who want one and can care for one.
    Really, you're not sure and one of your arguments is that it might break up his marriage? Well yeah, that is what happens when you cheat and have a kid. **** has a tendency to hit the fan in those situations. Are you saying his wife should be left in the dark? How nice of you.

    He did not loose anything but the possibility of a child being born. If she had an abortion than he did not loose anything except maybe the idea of becoming a father. That is the law and again, thank goodness or women would be slaves to the demands or men. Women had to put up with that thing for far too long.
    Are you the leader of all white knight everywhere? The fact is when a woman aborts the pregnancy she is not only ending the pregnancy and her chance of being a mother, but taking from the man his child as well. You can think of that whatever you want, but that is just the way it is.

    And there is nothing wrong with that picture, there is possibly something wrong with the woman for having sex in a non-committed relation but there is most certainly something wrong with the guy, he was careless and impregnated a woman and that is almost entirely down to his own stupid decisions.
    So one is probably wrong, but the other is certainly wrong? Interesting.

    Sorry, I cannot feel guilty for some dumb schmuck who got a woman pregnant he did not want to get pregnant. He cannot claim he was not an active participant in that act so he has to pay the piper.
    Really dude, do you even read the crap you're posting? The double standard nonsense is more than a little ridiculous. I like the part where your protested the prospect of the woman being a slave to the man, but promoted the man being a slave to the woman.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Why would he not be able to see his own child? Unless he's some sort of criminal offender, he should have the right to see HIS child.
    He is being allowed to see his kid, just not during the delivery. He can see his kid just like all other dads did after pacing the hall while their wives did the giving birth. It is not like she is keeping their kid away from him, she is just not wanting him in the delivery room.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes you are guilty of "whitewashing" your posts but I am sure there are a number of women on this forum to give you kudos for that. Truth is you have no idea what led up to this man filing a court order to have the right to watch the birth of his child. The report says they were estranged. That had to happen within the pregnancy whether it be 6 weeks in or a week before her delivery date, you have nothing to go on. She may have been all for it up till the end and for some reason decided to change her mind. You see whatever mama wants mama gets under the current playing field and that is just wrong. Men have rights too.
    No, I am not. And secondly, he does not have the right to watch the birth of his child. Not only is that the opinion of the court but also the opinion of the law.

    Men do have rights, but being in the delivery room during the birth is not a right they have.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    What will be next? Granny in there, Granddad too, mother in law, father in law, mother, father, granddad of the father, grandmother of the father, brother, sister, sister in law, brother in law, aunties, uncles, sons and daughters. Why not have the whole even catered? Throwing the plates like a good old Greek dinner party when the baby comes out? Have a bar in there why don't you so that everybody can get their drunk on during all those boring hours where the mother has to lie there in labor pain. Why not add some computer games, wifi so that people can use their mobile phones to do some whatsapping and facebooking, install TV screens so that the next world cup game or superbowl can be watched by all during the "dull" labor wait.

    Let's be a bit normal, one woman giving birth, a medical team and 1 or 2 people to support the mother during her difficult times when she is trying to give birth to her child.
    I don't know what is hard to understand about this. As a MAN, he should be able to respect her as a fellow human being. Otherwise, he's no man IMO.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, I am not. And secondly, he does not have the right to watch the birth of his child. Not only is that the opinion of the court but also the opinion of the law.

    Men do have rights, but being in the delivery room during the birth is not a right they have.
    Exactly, and is it just me, or do some of these older woman posting seem to have a lot of hate for younger woman. "Whatever mama wants mama gets" kind of says it all.

    I feel sorry for the younger men who listen to these bitter old women and let them poison them against women with hate like that.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There are studies that show it damages a couple's sexual relationship afterward...short and long term.

    Not to mention it's often videoed. Ugh.
    I'm sorry. What damages the couple's relationship? Watching the delivery? I think I might have heard of that happening before. I would never allow it to be videotaped. No way.

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