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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There wasnt any way to argue that, I knew that when I wrote it.

    Reminds me of the time we were in a thread about women disrespecting men 'these days' and I asked how many men in the thread had ever lied to get sex....and you freaked out on how 'unfair it was, that it was a trick question that no man could answer honestly and not look bad.' lololol
    What was I supposed to say? That the man isn't the one pregnant and dealing with the pregnancy? Does that little fact somehow make it not both their child throughout the pregnancy?

    Nothing you said changes the facts, so yeah, the answer is "really".

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Why would you think she is using the delivery room to avoid reality? The privacy issue nails it. But the fact that his presence may cause her to become more stressed and unfocused is not selfish. It is for the sake of the baby. Their baby.
    LMAO Exactly.

    I'm pretty sure that the delivery room is the 'realest' place a woman ever has to deal with in her life. Life or death, immense pain and terrible fear and incredible joy...and the ultimate *unknown* until that child is safely delivered and healthy.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What was I supposed to say? That the man isn't the one pregnant and dealing with the pregnancy? Does that little fact somehow make it not both their child throughout the pregnancy?

    Nothing you said changes the facts, so yeah, the answer is "really".
    You could have agreed, graciously. Conceding a point like a man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes, men have been jilted and things aren't changing fast enough. In fact today the attitude of some women have gotten so crass toward men that now they see them as insignificant. She bought the lie that she could do it all on her own. And now decades later we live in a society full of kids who don't even know their father and tend to be those at high risk for destructive behavior which affects us all. Where once men felt it was useless to try and fight for custody are doing so. BRAVO for them. I see more men walking around with diaper bags toting their kids than ever before. It's nothing to see a car seat in the back of a BMW these days.

    There have been thousands of years where kids didnt know their fathers...seriously. And THOSE mothers were **** outta luck. As were their 'bastards.' Both were ostracized by society, often lacking decent employment, denied many opportunities, and living in poverty.

    Sorry, I dont see things worse today, not by a long shot.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Doesn't matter. Her body, her bills.

    Women want to play this game, so I'll see that they don't backtrack and move goalposts. Bunch of f'n ingrates.
    I agree but I didnt read anything about her asking for him to pay her bills.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You could have agreed, graciously. Conceding a point like a man.
    Considering that your point does nothing towards mine, sure, I concede the point, for whatever that is worth.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It'll be a tough sell. Women have a history of law, society, and testicularly-challenged men bending over backward to kiss their every boo-boo, real or imagined. That genie is way out of the bottle, and stuffing her back in will be Herculean in task.

    Hell, look at all the entitlement from women on this thread - vesper excluded.
    We are seeking entitlement because we support her right to keep her whoo hoo private? Man, our expectations are low....we should try for the right to vote or sumthin'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yeah it appears women have a lot of rights.

    They have the right to not have the baby even if the man wants his child.
    They have the right to have the baby even when the man doesn't want the child and force the man to pay child support for it.
    They have the right to have the child and put it up for adoption denying the father the right to his own child.
    And now she has the right not to have the father in the delivery room when giving birth.

    Here's hoping in the near future a few judges remember men have rights too.
    1. it is not his child, it is her body and thus she can decide what she wants to do with whatever grows inside her

    2. if the man did not want to run the risk of having a child he should have used protection. If he did not want to use a condom he had 2 other choices, not have sex or had a vasectomy. If you have unprotected sex you run the risk of making a woman pregnant, that is just like rolling the dice in the casino, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Your bad.

    3. I am not sure but I have read that sometimes men can do something about the woman putting it up for adoption but I am not sure about that.

    4. And she always had the right for that because there is no legal right of a man to be present in the delivery room against the womans will.

    Men have rights when it comes to their offspring, forcing a woman to let her into her medical treatment/delivery room is not a right and judges will always side with the woman because of 2 things:

    1. she has the law on her side, he has not

    2. it is for the good of both mother and baby (and with that in the end also for the prospective father) that she has a delivery free from unwanted stress and distractions like some ex-creep selfish jerk estranged partner demanding to play peeping tom while she lies on a table having her/his baby.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    1. it is not his child, it is her body and thus she can decide what she wants to do with whatever grows inside her
    Really? Was she able to create that life on her own? The answer is NO.
    2. if the man did not want to run the risk of having a child he should have used protection. If he did not want to use a condom he had 2 other choices, not have sex or had a vasectomy. If you have unprotected sex you run the risk of making a woman pregnant, that is just like rolling the dice in the casino, sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. Your bad.
    And then again a woman who allows herself to get involved in a sexual relationship with no commitment and is stupid enough to not protect herself since she is the one that will ultimately carry the child for 9 months and go through the delivery process could be deemed as a real idiot.
    3. I am not sure but I have read that sometimes men can do something about the woman putting it up for adoption but I am not sure about that.
    Depends on where you live. Men often find themselves thinking they are going to be a father then the mother doesn't want to be a mother so the baby goes up for adoption without the father's knowledge. How f-ing selfish of any woman that would do that, not allowing the father the opportunity to raise their own child?
    4. And she always had the right for that because there is no legal right of a man to be present in the delivery room against the womans will.
    Yes she does, but what a f-ing bitch to deny the father of her child, estranged or not that right! My Gawd, the number of kids born today that many of the mothers don't know who the father is and this guy was real sure he was the daddy.
    Men have rights when it comes to their offspring, forcing a woman to let her into her medical treatment/delivery room is not a right and judges will always side with the woman because of 2 things:

    1. she has the law on her side, he has not

    2. it is for the good of both mother and baby (and with that in the end also for the prospective father) that she has a delivery free from unwanted stress and distractions like some ex-creep selfish jerk estranged partner demanding to play peeping tom while she lies on a table having her/his baby.
    Yada Yada Yada. Facts are men are jilted everyday with anything related to a woman's pregnancy. Her body her choice. Got it. Even though she couldn't produce that child on her own. It took a man's donation of himself. Yet the woman can have this right to end a pregnancy of a child that a man helped create. He loses. She has the right to have a baby when a man does not want one and be faced with 18 years of child support. What's wrong with this picture?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly. The woman's body is the one in danger. The man is in NO danger during a delivery. Women die during childbirth. Do men? No, they do not. Delivery can be potentially dangerous. It's not a friggin party where anyone can just show up, doesn't matter WHO it is.
    What will be next? Granny in there, Granddad too, mother in law, father in law, mother, father, granddad of the father, grandmother of the father, brother, sister, sister in law, brother in law, aunties, uncles, sons and daughters. Why not have the whole even catered? Throwing the plates like a good old Greek dinner party when the baby comes out? Have a bar in there why don't you so that everybody can get their drunk on during all those boring hours where the mother has to lie there in labor pain. Why not add some computer games, wifi so that people can use their mobile phones to do some whatsapping and facebooking, install TV screens so that the next world cup game or superbowl can be watched by all during the "dull" labor wait.

    Let's be a bit normal, one woman giving birth, a medical team and 1 or 2 people to support the mother during her difficult times when she is trying to give birth to her child.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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