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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    I believe the father should have that right, but with the condition he stay out of the way in case of any emergency.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It'd be one thing if we were married, or still in a decent relationship, and she could provide a good reason for why I shouldn't be there.

    Some bitchy ex-girlfriend who's made it abundantly clear that she doesn't want anything to do with me?

    Yea... No dice. "Quid pro quo," I'm afraid.

    I'm sort of a sucker that way, so I might very well offer to help her out just because. However, expecting it to be an "obligation" is flatly ridiculous.
    It'll be a tough sell. Women have a history of law, society, and testicularly-challenged men bending over backward to kiss their every boo-boo, real or imagined. That genie is way out of the bottle, and stuffing her back in will be Herculean in task.

    Hell, look at all the entitlement from women on this thread - vesper excluded.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's the law speaking out of both sides of its mouth. Let's put it this way - if a woman is 9 months pregnant and she is killed by someone with intent, that person goes on trial for two counts of murder. Is a "partial birth abortion" legal? I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all 50 states these days (not to mention being a gruesome procedure, I've heard). After a certain point, the fetus is no longer the woman's "possession", but an individual unto himself/herself. It is considered a human being, by law.

    They just don't want to recognize that because, well, it's just a father. Not like they really matter.
    The "Unborn Victims Act" makes clear that the fetus hasn't been granted any rights per se. A fetus that loses its life during the commission of a criminal act is labeled in a specific legal way so as not to imply rights. That law is more about "retribution" as opposed to "interests".

    Partial Birth Abortion Act doesn't create rights for the fetus. It lessens the rights of a pregnant woman. But partial birth abortions historically are rare. Most doctors won't perform them unless the fetus is severely malformed, dead, or the woman's life or long-term well being is in serious danger.

    A fetus that reaches the magic developmental stage of "Viability" still doesn't isn't given rights or considered to be a legal person. Again, a woman's rights are reduced as opposed to fetal rights given or increased.

    Soooo...The states interests or the interests man who is the co-conceived the fetus are very limited to impose legal force to override a woman's fundamental rights of privacy, bodily integrity, and self-determination. Until a fetus is brought forth from the woman's body, which at that moment the fetus is recognized as a child, a relationship between the child and other persons must be mediated by her and/or the court if necessary.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    You are probably right! Most women aren't masochistically inclined, so something blots out the remembrance of the pain! I do confess to wondering why in hell I didn't ask to have a caesarian section, though! : They probably wouldn't have done it, since there was no reason to do a surgical procedure just because I was a whoossie! I just shouldn't have listened to all the horror stories I heard from "well-meaning" people! When I mentioned those to my doctor, she told me to ignore them, since I was young and healthy and she would see to it that I would be just fine. She was angry!

    Greetings, Gathomas88.
    Greetings, Polgara.

    Honestly, women have so many different hormones and endorphins coursing through their systems just before, during, and after delivery that it really shouldn't be surprising their state of consciousness for and remembrance of the event might wind up being more than a little bit "altered."

    Thank God for small miracles, I guess. I'd hate to see what childbirth would be like without them!
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 03-18-14 at 02:37 PM.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Of course not. It's only his child.

    They should keep stripping men and fathers of rights. Maybe some of them will get a clue and not tie themselves down and slit their own throats.
    He is not being stripped of a right, he has never had this right and quite rightly. The delivery itself is the mothers moment to do her job.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    It's his child too!

    What the HELL......!?
    Yes, but that does not give him the right, especially when mother and father are split up and estranged, to be in the delivery room. There is no legal basis for that and I also do not think there is a moral one.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

    It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.
    There are studies that show it damages a couple's sexual relationship afterward...short and long term.

    Not to mention it's often videoed. Ugh.
    Last edited by Lursa; 03-18-14 at 10:54 PM. Reason: fixed typo
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Maybe, but from all we have to go on, there is nothing to suggest that. The only thing the man seems interested in is the child.
    Well maybe the only thing she seems interested in is having her baby in peace, for the healthiest outcome for both?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really.

    There wasnt any way to argue that, I knew that when I wrote it.

    Reminds me of the time we were in a thread about women disrespecting men 'these days' and I asked how many men in the thread had ever lied to get sex....and you freaked out on how 'unfair it was, that it was a trick question that no man could answer honestly and not look bad.' lololol
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good points Polgara, however, the child they created together is here now. Even though they are Ex they have something that will always connect them. She can no longer use the delivery room as an excuse to avoid reality. Let the lawsuits begin!
    If EITHER wants to be a decent parent, they will work things out, without the kid ever knowing, and do what's best for the kid.


    Yeah....I'm sure that fantasy happens occasionally. Just not nearly often enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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