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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Gipper, based solely on your wording, "His right to his child trumps her "right to privacy", I thought I'd post the following. It's a different reporting source. Just thought your claim was an interesting perspective regarding "right to privacy".



    Fathers in the delivery room: New Jersey judge rules that a mother can block the father from attending their child’s birth.

    So maybe in this situation the "right to privacy" angle isn't the correct mother's interests?
    It's the law speaking out of both sides of its mouth. Let's put it this way - if a woman is 9 months pregnant and she is killed by someone with intent, that person goes on trial for two counts of murder. Is a "partial birth abortion" legal? I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all 50 states these days (not to mention being a gruesome procedure, I've heard). After a certain point, the fetus is no longer the woman's "possession", but an individual unto himself/herself. It is considered a human being, by law.

    They just don't want to recognize that because, well, it's just a father. Not like they really matter.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    It's not science at all. Women are not made out of glass, most women around the planet deliver babies while they are working, bundle them up, and then go about their business. But then there is not money in it that way.

    And because it's a good idea to be safe rather than sorry. A lot of complications can occur within the first couple of days after a delivery. For example, after I delivered my son, I was internally bleeding and nobody knew until I started to display symptoms. If I had been at home by myself, I could have bled to death and died.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

    It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.
    Pointing out she allowed herself to be involved in a sexual relationship without commitment and that she allowed herself to get pregnant are fair points to make in evaluating her character. Weren't you one of the folks earlier made the assumption that the father's only reason for taking it to court was a selfish one and didn't have a problem painting him as a real jerk? It didn't seem to cross your mind that he felt like he was being robbed something he dearly wanted to be a part of as the father of his child? Not all men care to be, some very much want to be present. Legally she had the right to kick him in the gut and deny him but like someone said earlier, a paternity suit may likely follow. After all, if she would deny him to see his child born knowing it was very important to him, there's a good chance she wouldn't be real willing to allow him visitation unless forced to.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Pointing out she allowed herself to be involved in a sexual relationship without commitment and that she allowed herself to get pregnant are fair points to make in evaluating her character. Weren't you one of the folks earlier made the assumption that the father's only reason for taking it to court was a selfish one and didn't have a problem painting him as a real jerk? It didn't seem to cross your mind that he felt like he was being robbed something he dearly wanted to be a part of as the father of his child? Not all men care to be, some very much want to be present. Legally she had the right to kick him in the gut and deny him but like someone said earlier, a paternity suit may likely follow. After all, if she would deny him to see his child born knowing it was very important to him, there's a good chance she wouldn't be real willing to allow him visitation unless forced to.
    Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    This thread makes me want to remove the rights of the father, married and on good terms with the mother or not, from being allowed to live in the house with the family.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.
    But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.
    Okay, that doesn't mean that the woman feels comfortable with him being present with her during the delivery of said child. The two things are unrelated. He has EVERY opportunity to be a good father.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But the man even after they were estranged, didn't walk away from his responsibilities, he makes claim to this child and by wanting to see it born shows the character of one who will willingly take full responsibility.
    You know who else that could describe? Stalkers and obsessive ex boyfriends. Just sayin', it's not that cut and dried.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You know who else that could describe? Stalkers and obsessive ex boyfriends. Just sayin', it's not that cut and dried.
    That's true. Just because he "wants" to be present, doesn't mean his intentions are good. And I have a hard time believing that they are when he is trying to force his way in there against her will and filing a lawsuit over it. THAT doesn't sound like someone who cares but more like someone who is PUSHING himself upon a person.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, didn't the man do the same thing? How is he innocent in all of this? If SHE was involved in a relationship with no commitment, then so was he. If SHE was irresponsible for "allowing" herself to become pregnant (which we do NOT know), then he is just as responsible for impregnating this woman. Obviously HIS choices were no better than hers, it just so happens that SHE is the one who gets pregnant because that's just how it is.
    Wait, wait, wait...if he wants to be part, it's her child, but if he wants to skip, it's their child?

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