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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I've had kids and been part of it all the way (including the delivery room/OR), you can't offend me, sorry that offends you. But as long as the father can be held financially responsible for whatever the mother does, the situation is completely unequal. That's a fact, sorry that offends you.
    Are you saying the father (assuming unmarried) is financially responsible for any part of the pregnancy and childbirth??

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    His right to his child trumps her "right" to privacy.
    Gipper, based solely on your wording, "His right to his child trumps her "right to privacy", I thought I'd post the following. It's a different reporting source. Just thought your claim was an interesting perspective regarding "right to privacy".

    "Judge Rules That a Mother’s Rights Trump the Father’s in the Delivery Room"

    A New Jersey judge said no last November, in a ruling that was released in writing earlier this week. “Any interest a father has before the child’s birth is subordinate to the mother’s interest,” Judge Sohail Mohammed wrote.
    Fathers in the delivery room: New Jersey judge rules that a mother can block the father from attending their child’s birth.

    So maybe in this situation the "right to privacy" angle isn't the correct mother's interests?

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    The trouble with this sort of situation is that there's no simple rule to make. Each situation is unique. Without prior arrangements, there really is no way for the mother not to have the right to control the situation when she is giving birth. The rights of one parent or another towards born children is always a complex and messy situation. Each one really must be evaluated on its merits, but the rights of the child should trump the parents' every time.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The trouble with this sort of situation is that there's no simple rule to make. Each situation is unique. Without prior arrangements, there really is no way for the mother not to have the right to control the situation when she is giving birth. The rights of one parent or another towards born children is always a complex and messy situation. Each one really must be evaluated on its merits, but the rights of the child should trump the parents' every time.

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    Well, that's the deal..."born child". Until there is actually a birth there is no official child. Once a child is on the ground, then "interests" is a different legal matter. And as you've alluded to...complex, possibly messy, lots of variables.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Are you saying the father (assuming unmarried) is financially responsible for any part of the pregnancy and childbirth??
    I'm saying there could be a paternity suit to follow.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm saying there could be a paternity suit to follow.
    Not sure there is any such thing anymore...the man is not 'charged' for any costs previous to the birth of the child. Paternity suits involved proving the lineage of the child and taking the father to court to make him pay child support. That's easily settled now with DNA testing.

    Today, if a woman applies for any public assistance, the state or county automatically goes after the biological father for child support (whether she likes it or not)....but that is only for child support...there is nothing for pre-natal, hospitalization, birthing, etc...only *after*the child is born.
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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Increased stress increased hypertension, delayed delivery....look up strokes and perinatal hypertension and you can see what happens.

    There would be no stats. Because most men know better than to stress out the mother of the child she is trying to deliver. Most men.

    Seriously, this is not rocket science.
    It's not science at all. Women are not made out of glass, most women around the planet deliver babies while they are working, bundle them up, and then go about their business. But then there is not money in it that way.


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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Being in the delivery room is way overrated IMO.

    In 1985 when my first child was born I held her hand during throes of labor and she dislocated my pinky finger at the middle knuckle and it swelled up to about the size of a ****ing golf ball.

    Hold her hand?

    Unless she insists, opt out.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's almost like saying..."I already had sex with her, so now I can anytime I want." to legitimize rape.

    Does a woman have a right to her body and privacy or not?
    Hi Lursa, though my comment was on the absurd side, so is the argument about someone seeing her "private parts". Everyone in the room can see them and at that point in a delivery, you could care less who is looking. We are discussing a woman who is obviously not too bright as she engaged in a sexual relationship with no commitment and on top of that most likely wasn't using birth control responsibly. The couple obviously had a breakup during the pregnancy. The father didn't take a hike which would have been the easy thing to do, but instead wanted to be there for the birth of his child and took it to court to fight for that right. Now that there is a baby involved, hopefully the two can work out their differences for the sake of the child.

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    Re: Do you think fathers have a legal right to see thier child born or be in the room

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Hi Lursa, though my comment was on the absurd side, so is the argument about someone seeing her "private parts". Everyone in the room can see them and at that point in a delivery, you could care less who is looking. We are discussing a woman who is obviously not too bright as she engaged in a sexual relationship with no commitment and on top of that most likely wasn't using birth control responsibly. The couple obviously had a breakup during the pregnancy. The father didn't take a hike which would have been the easy thing to do, but instead wanted to be there for the birth of his child and took it to court to fight for that right. Now that there is a baby involved, hopefully the two can work out their differences for the sake of the child.
    I'm sure there are plenty of women who DO actually care. Doesn't matter if they had a sexual relationship in the past. That does NOT mean she wants him seeing her in that condition.

    It doesn't matter what you personally think of their relationship or the reasons WHY the woman ended up pregnant. The bottom line is that she is now pregnant and does not wish for this person to be present in the delivery room with her. Perhaps he was abusive to her or is just a jerk? Maybe she thought he was a nice guy at first, and then his true colors showed. It seems that a lot of people have very naive ideas about relationships, or because they had a good relationship that everyone else does too. Well that's just not the case.

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